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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Many states already have "several times more people running around with guns" (ie shall-issue CCW), and the alleged bloodbaths or substantial rise in murders has NOT followed. Some states have millions of CCWers without blood in the streets.

    An isolated incident which proves nothing.
    I never stated an increase in CC would create a bloodbath, only that it could lead to some negative consequences. This is far from an isolated incident.

    Josh Sugarmann: Killers With Concealed Handguns: George Zimmerman Isn't the Only One

    I'm not necessarily against CC, I'm pretty much neutral about gun control at the moment. I'm simply making the point that along with many other things it is a two sided coin.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I never stated an increase in CC would create a bloodbath, only that it could lead to some negative consequences. This is far from an isolated incident.

    Josh Sugarmann: Killers With Concealed Handguns: George Zimmerman Isn't the Only One

    I'm not necessarily against CC, I'm pretty much neutral about gun control at the moment. I'm simply making the point that along with many other things it is a two sided coin.
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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I never stated an increase in CC would create a bloodbath, only that it could lead to some negative consequences.
    And positives also. Implying just negatives is political motivated on your part and is old, tired, and busted.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I said earlier 25% was a number I just made up because I have no idea what percentage of cc holders actively carry. So all things considered instead of .8% it could amount to.. 1.5%?, or 4% if 100% of cc holders actively carry all the time? its still not very much, the precise amount is not important.
    Ah ok. Well I'm sure that number is available. Anyway, when you do crunch the numbers, remember that the proportion of adults actually carrying around will also be based on the fact that the TOTAL population of Utah is not the same, at all, of the number of people actually eligible to carry. For one thing, you have to remove anyone under 18 0r 21, whatever the permit age is. Then convicted felons, elderly, incarcerated, or anyone else in homes or prisons, etc.

    And from I've read, *many* people with their permits do carry frequently...whenever they can. Others do *every day.* THere are people around you with firearms all the time and you have no idea.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Driving in most of the US is a requirement, not an option. Maybe your public transportation system is great but in most cities they aren't and they don't even exist in rural areas. When you NEED a gun to get to work or haul supplies just to live, let me know. Until then, yes, driving is a different subject.


    If you're championing a return to the 55 MPH speed limit that's another subject - but that's mostly a money thing, talk to the corporations. Again, not the same as CC. Your comparison of CC and driving is ludicrous at best.
    That does not matter (and it's not really true. A large % of the population are in urban and suburban areas with access to public transportation and otherwise it is just a matter of convenience, which AMericans are very used to.)....what matters is THE DEATH and INJURY numbers.

    Need has nothing to do with it. Millions of Americans are carrying firearms (that according to you, they dont need) and the rates of death/injury are MUCH MUCH less.

    This is esp. true...by FAR...because you have to remove ALL crime from those numbers. Because except for a very small fraction, those crimes are not committed by legally-carrying people.

    And as an American citizen, your attempt to try to limit people's ownership and use of something they dont 'need' is what is ludicrous.

    Forget speed limits...if AMericans REALLY cared ONLY about a NEED for transportation we would all be driving EXTREMELY safe, very heavy, very slow, probably crappy on gas mileage because they'd be heavier for safety purposes, boring cars that didnt differ much except for color. Everybody would be, by law (If you're going to 'rule' on need)....lightly armored family vans that didnt go over 40 mph (or so).

    Sorry...Americans love their cars. And they love their guns.

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Driving in most of the US is a requirement, not an option. Maybe your public transportation system is great but in most cities they aren't and they don't even exist in rural areas. When you NEED a gun to get to work or haul supplies just to live, let me know. Until then, yes, driving is a different subject.
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    BTW, there is a saying among people who carry guns, "If I thought I needed a gun, I wouldnt go there."

    You NEVER know when you will need to defend yourself and your family. If you could anticipate it, you'd avoid it altoghether.

    And that is actually the aim of anyone serious about self defense...awareness and avoidance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I never stated an increase in CC would create a bloodbath, only that it could lead to some negative consequences. This is far from an isolated incident.

    Josh Sugarmann: Killers With Concealed Handguns: George Zimmerman Isn't the Only One

    I'm not necessarily against CC, I'm pretty much neutral about gun control at the moment. I'm simply making the point that along with many other things it is a two sided coin.
    Ol' boy shouldn't have been texting in the picture show and it wouldn't have happened.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ol' boy shouldn't have been texting in the picture show and it wouldn't have happened.
    Old boy should not be killed for texting.
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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Old boy should not be killed for texting.
    Of he'd left his phone in his pocket, he wouldn't have been killed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of he'd left his phone in his pocket, he wouldn't have been killed.
    You can't be daft enough to think this way.
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