Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer
Seriously, get a grip. Your videos mean absolutely nothing to this case.
N O T H I N G !
Like I told you, I could also provided videos showing a person not resisting. That would matter. As it would show what not resisting looks like. And clearly Kelly was resisting.
But yours do not matter as they are not dealing with the Officers involved or with Kelly. You can not make a comparison between such differences.
You are the only one pretending here. They do not matter.
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You are not even anywhere near marginally reasonable, Excon.
What you are doing is twisting the fact and dismissing any presentation you can't handle in order to force them to fit your bias and firmly held opinion.
Yeah, why don't you present videos showing a person not resisting but just standing there and take the clubbing of the police batons on each side of the knee by two rogue cops and then severely beaten, crushed, pummeled on the head and face and tased on the chest multiple times while already down on the ground? You've been crowing about showing the video, why don't you?
If you do show a video of a person not resisting I can guarantee you that the police office executing the arrest was very professional and handled the situation without jumping into brutality at the very onset. I'd bet the officer would calmly tell the person he was under address and to ask him to turn around and place his hands on his back. None of such was done by Ramos. He went straight to screaming at Kelly to get on the ground soon after harassing and threatening to f**k him up with his gloved fist. At no time did he tell Kelly he was under arrest and for what purpose. As we all know Kelly was minding his own business and did nothing wrong that night. So, what you would be showing is how a professional handling of a lawful arrest should be like vs the brutal unlawful arrest and beat down without just cause.
You keep saying Kelly was resisting arrest but you ignore the fact that nowhere at anytime in the video had Ramos ever told him he was under arrest.
In fact, earlier Kelly did put out both his hands and asked Ramos to arrest him and get over with it because he was getting tired of being harassed for no reason. But Ramos refused and told him he wasn't done with him. So, not only Ramos was harassing and intimidating Kelly but his final attempt at subduing Kelly without lawful cause was completely unlawful.
Also, after the beat down onto the ground by the two rogue cops with the batons, the video evidence clearly showed that he was reacting to terror of being attacked and to the subsequent pain of being savagely beaten, pummeled in the head and face and tased multiple time while being pinned down and crushed to his impending death by several rogue cops. The beat down and tasing not only was so severe but also the pummeling and tasing were relentlessly rained down blow after bow and tasing after tasing upon Kelly, who was already pinned down by several cops, without letting off a bit for him to even try to comply.
Those videos I linked you to were to show you what true resisting looks like and how a lone police officer could handle an uncooperative person without having to beat him to a pulp till his life was squeezed out of him. And yet in many of those videos where some of the resisting were so violent to the point of endangering the lives of the police officers and civilians and still the police did not resort to violent beating to execute their final arrest. In most of those videos, the violent criminals were handcuffed without so much as a bruised or bloody face and still alive and walking.
But, you don't want to hear or see any of that. All you want is to force your position to defend the rogue cops at all cost. All you're doing is to empower rogue cops to abuse their power against citizens who pay their wages and foment public resentment and repulsion of police officers that eventually put good officers' lives in danger.
You keep hanging on your mantra of "Manufactured for television" but do you think they would manufacture a complete lie of the actual situation? Do you think it was not one cop who chased and knocked the suspect to the ground and then pinned him down before a civilian came to assist? Do you think you can convince us that National Geographic would edit an event based on true account into something totally different? It certainly wasn't six cops beating and tasing the guy to death while trying to subdue him, was it? If you think it was, then provide proof of such manufacturing. However, I had also provided you video links to other police cam videos of lone police officer arresting a violently resisting person without having to resort to brutal beating, tasing and pummeling to the head and face to a pulp. Why do you ignore those?
Tell me, what does it serve to savagely pound the head and face repeatedly with the hard butt portion of the taser such that the bridge of the nose is smashed in and the ethmoid plate deep inside the skull was fractured not to mention causing broken ribs on both side of the chest if the goal was to subdue and handcuff him?
What was the purpose of tasing Kelly multiple times in a row when he was already pinned down by several rogue cops to the ground if not simply for torturing him to death? Taser is mainly used for non-lethal self defense in order to neutralize a potential threat. The taser also render a person being tased to drop to the ground and thus enables the officer to subdue him for the arrest. But, in both situation Kelly posed no threat to the officers and he was already pinned to the ground.
Also, don't you know that a taser can carry anywhere from 50,000 to 300,000 volts of electricity? The discharge of taser electric current into the body can cause involuntary muscle contractions and impairment of motor skills. By tasing Kelly multiple times in quick successions the rogue cops were actually causing him to involuntarily thrashed about in involuntary movement and rendered him unable to comply due to the impairment of motor function.
Not to mention that he was cringing in severe pain the moment he was struck on both knees by the brutal force of the batons followed by severe beating, tasing, head and face pummeling, rib breaking crushing and the whole enchilada of tortures and beat down.
Why don't you let me club you on both your knees and see if you can just lay there relaxed and comply to my command without me even jumping on top of you and beating and tasing you to a pulp? I bet you'd be thrashing about in pain just as you would if you were to knock your shin into a furniture. By thrashing in pain are you then resisting?
You claimed that "every take down and resistance, is different in each and every case." Yeah, so what? The difference in the videos I linked to clearly showed that those being arrested by the lone officers had put up fierce fight and resistance and yet the lone officers were bale to subdue and handcuffed down without beating or tasing them to death. So, instead of acknowledging that the six rogue cops should be able to subdue and handcuff Kelly without having to brutally beat and tase him to death as shown by other harmless police take down shown in other video, you are coping out with an attempt at engaging in illogical argument.
And as always, your debate tactic is to deny against clear and undenaible fact at all cost with a straight face. Officer Garcia in the video clearly tackled the man onto the ground and wrestled with him. He was pinned down and pretty much subdued and asked the man question as regard the gun before a civilian came on board to lend a hand.
And like I said before, the facts don't agree with you. ONLY your twist and willful contortion of the facts agree with you. And still have the gall to deny that with a straight face.
Unbelievable.
