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Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

ric27 said:
Do your homework on Kelly's felonious history

Report back
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Still engaging in yet another evasion, I see.


What does his past felonious history gotta do with your prior claim that the police were protecting themselves when all the while at the very moment Kelly was being battoned to the ground and pinned with crushing weight face down, tased, brutally assaulted and crushed to death?
 
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dolphinocean said:
Still engaging in yet another evasion, I see.


What does his past felonious history gotta do with your prior claim that the police were protecting themselves when all the while at the very moment Kelly was being battoned to the ground and pinned with crushing weight face down, tazed, brutally assaulted and crushed to death?
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I think my point earlier is proven by now - video can be misinterpreted.

Since you cannot BOTH be correct...I think?
 
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The Mark said:
I think my point earlier is proven by now - video can be misinterpreted.

Since you cannot BOTH be correct...I think?
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I don't know what you're talking about. When did I even respond or debate you on this topic before?
 
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dolphinocean said:
I don't know what you're talking about. When did I even respond or debate you on this topic before?
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You didn't.


Edit: To clarify, I had earlier responded to someone's post about how the video clearly showed X by pointing out that video can be manipulated or misinterpreted - and I responded to your post because it seems apparent that at least the second half of that statement must be correct, since ric27 and yourself are obviously in disagreement, while having seen the same video (I think?).
 
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The Mark said:
You didn't.


Edit: To clarify, I had earlier responded to someone's post about how the video clearly showed X by pointing out that video can be manipulated or misinterpreted - and I responded to your post because it seems apparent that at least the second half of that statement must be correct, since ric27 and yourself are obviously in disagreement, while having seen the same video (I think?).
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Please bear in mind ric's point about the six police officer having to protect themselves from this guy.

The fact remains that the homeless guy was on the ground being heavily pinned down on his stomach. He was never once on his feet once down, was he? So, tell me, how can one argue that the six police officers were trying to protect themselves? Shouldn't the one trying to protect oneself be the one being brutally attacked by six big guys while all the time being pinned down to the ground until one was asphyxiated to death?

P.S. there is no other interpretation whatsoever of the video concerning the homeless guy being on the ground and pinned down.
 
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Police from OC got away with killing a white man. He must have been poor or mentally ill. A jury from Orange County would never allow one of their own to be treated like this. However, If he'd been a perfectly healthy rich white boy, these police officers would have hung from the tallest tree in TC Park.
 
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dolphinocean said:
Please bear in mind ric's point about the six police officer having to protect themselves from this guy.

The fact remains that the homeless guy was on the ground being heavily pinned down on his stomach. He was never once on his feet once down, was he? So, tell me, how can one argue that the six police officers were trying to protect themselves? Shouldn't the one trying to protect oneself be the one being brutally attacked by six big guys while all the time being pinned down to the ground until one was asphyxiated to death?

P.S. there is no other interpretation whatsoever of the video concerning the homeless guy being on the ground and pinned down.
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Obviously there is, since ric27 disagrees with you.

I'm not saying who is correct, if anyone, just that, obviously, it is possible to misinterpret a video.
 
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The Mark said:
Obviously there is, since ric27 disagrees with you.

I'm not saying who is correct, if anyone, just that, obviously, it is possible to misinterpret a video.
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As if you don't already know, people disagree even in the face of undenial proof. Disagreeing doesn't prove anything. You just have to use your common sense. How do you misinterpret a video about Kelly being on the ground and pinned face down? Either he was on the ground being pinned down or he was not. How can one misinterpret that?


I noted in one of your posts you stated you didn't want to watch the video. So, you're in no position to make any comment regarding the video.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
Still engaging in yet another evasion, I see.


What does his past felonious history gotta do with your prior claim that the police were protecting themselves when all the while at the very moment Kelly was being battoned to the ground and pinned with crushing weight face down, tased, brutally assaulted and crushed to death?
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Believe it or not some of my hardest brawls have been with handcuffed individuals.

Unless you were there, feeling what the officer/officers felt (from a physical resistance point of view) you simply cannot judge or are in a position to say the officer was wrong and to terminate....remember, the video everyone thought would convict the officers in the Rodney King incident acquitted them in the state criminal trial.

NO incident is the same, none
 
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dolphinocean said:
As if you don't already know, people disagree even in the face of undenial proof. Disagreeing doesn't prove anything. You just have to use your common sense. How do you misinterpret a video about Kelly being on the ground and pinned face down? Either he was on the ground being pinned down or he was not. How can one misinterpret that?


I noted in one of your posts you stated you didn't want to watch the video. So, you're in no position to make any comment regarding the video.
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Tis a very general comment.

The misinterpretation may be intentional, or due to personal bias.
 
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ric27 said:
Believe it or not some of my hardest brawls have been with handcuffed individuals.

Unless you were there, feeling what the officer/officers felt (from a physical resistance point of view) you simply cannot judge or are in a position to say the officer was wrong and to terminate....remember, the video everyone thought would convict the officers in the Rodney King incident acquitted them in the state criminal trial.

NO incident is the same, none
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There was brawl coming from Kelly Thomas. He was in the receiving end of savage and brutal attacks all the while by six police officers. Seriously, you are going with Rodney King trial as your argument point? Really?
 
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The Mark said:
Tis a very general comment.

The misinterpretation may be intentional, or due to personal bias.
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Please watch the video, otherwise you won;t know what you're talking about.
 
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For those who are interested in the opening argument of the Kelly Thomas trial, here's the video:

[video=youtube;QaGJJMvUlTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QaGJJMvUlTw[/video]
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
Please watch the video, otherwise you won;t know what you're talking about.
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Making the statement I did is not dependent on whether I watched the video or not.

ANYTHING can be misinterpreted - whether that misinterpretation is intentional or unintentional.

The apparent disagreement between you and ric27 indicates that one of you must be at least partially misinterpreting the video.
 
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dolphinocean said:
For those who are interested in the opening argument of the Kelly Thomas trial, here's the video:

[video=youtube;QaGJJMvUlTw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QaGJJMvUlTw[video]
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An Opening argument is not evidence.
 
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The Mark said:
Making the statement I did is not dependent on whether I watched the video or not.

ANYTHING can be misinterpreted - whether that misinterpretation is intentional or unintentional.

The apparent disagreement between you and ric27 indicates that one of you must be at least partially misinterpreting the video.
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If you don't watch the video how are going to know what you're talking about? You're just making an argument based on ignorant. And also, stop trying to make stuff up. Ric didn't indicate disagreement that Kelly was on the ground and pinned face down. You're making stuff up.
 
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dolphinocean said:
Did I say it was? Learn to read and comprehend please.
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:doh
Never said you did, did I?
Duh!
I stated a fact which places the video in proper perspective.
 
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dolphinocean said:
If you don't watch the video how are going to know what you're talking about? You're just making an argument based on ignorant. And also, stop trying to make stuff up. Ric didn't indicate disagreement that Kelly was on the ground and pinned face down. You're making stuff up.
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He did indicate, however, disagreement as to whether the police actions were justified or not. Unless I misunderstood.

If that is the case, I repeat: I do not need any specific knowledge of the video to realize that if two differing opinions on it's meaning exist, misinterpretation must be present.

If not ric27, perhaps Excon as an example.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

dolphinocean said:
There was brawl coming from Kelly Thomas. He was in the receiving end of savage and brutal attacks all the while by six police officers. Seriously, you are going with Rodney King trial as your argument point? Really?
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Kelly as well as King did have it coming. Kelly (the offender) is/was in control of his future. Good behavior results in zero problems, smooth booking process and open lines of comms which is what is needed

By acting violently (oc, tased, cuffed whatever ) violence is violence. He should expect the appropriate amount of force would be used to overcome his resistance. A decision made by the LEO. The offender summoned this use of force by his behavior. Had Kelly complied and been a gentleman he would be treated as such.
 
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The mood of this confrontation is initiated by the first cop saying "Now see my fists? They're getting ready to (expletive) you up". That sets up everything.

Yes, this is the officer I want cuffing me and throwing me in the back seat to do what he just threaten.
 
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Crosscheck said:
The mood of this confrontation is initiated by the first cop saying "Now see my fists? They're getting ready to (expletive) you up". That sets up everything.

Yes, this is the officer I want cuffing me and throwing me in the back seat to do what he just threaten.
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No it wasn't.
It was Kelly being uncooperative and playing his games.

Which is exactly why the Officer issued a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly.
 
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Excon said:
No it wasn't.
It was Kelly being uncooperative and playing his games.

Which is exactly why the Officer issued a hollow threat in an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly.
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'Hollow'.

Right.

Amazing how you perfectly understand his intent without actually being there.

Fascinating!

Being such a soothsayer, what are the next Powerball winning numbers?

Please share more of your knowledge.
 
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SMTA said:
'Hollow'.

Right.

Amazing how you perfectly understand his intent without actually being there.

Fascinating!

Being such a soothsayer, what are the next Powerball winning numbers?

Please share more of your knowledge.
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Ha ha ha ha . What is amazing is your inability to see the evidence that is there.
Fact - It was nothing other than an attempt to gain compliance from Kelly.
Evidenced by his statement of; If you don't start listening.


Fact - Those hollow words were not acted upon.
As evidenced by Kelly escalating the situation with further noncompliance and the Officers having to act in regards to his actions with their batons.
 
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