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Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer[W:173:381]

Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

SMTA said:
Force used to control is acceptable.

Excessive force was uncalled for, and resulted in his demise.

You need to understand the word excessive.
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Are you actually familiar with use-of-force issues? Federal case law? Local policy? ......and most importantly, the resistance offered by *said* suspect?

Rule of thumb....and memorize it

If the level of force employed is justified, injury to the threat is of no consequence....hence, the NOT guilty verdict by, the jury
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

ric27 said:
Are you actually familiar with use-of-force issues? Federal case law? Local policy? ......and most importantly, the resistance offered by *said* suspect?

Rule of thumb....and memorize it

If the level of force employed is justified, injury to the threat is of no consequence....hence, the NOT guilty verdict by, the jury
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I sure am, and you are completely wrong, as usual.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Bodhisattva said:
Did the cops Taze him? Can't six cops simply sit on the guy til he complies? What is with the beating? This is where cops are in the absolute wrong.
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Apparently the cops sitting on him as you suggest is what ultimately killed him in the first place, not the tasing and the beating.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
Kelly was resisting with great force.
So he smashed his face with the butt of the taser.

Thankfully the Jury got it right.

There was no "beat down".


The baton was in direct response to Kelly failing to comply. So saying it was unprovoked is ridiculous.
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The thing you cop-lovers forget when you make these statements is that there was a video and we all saw it. 5 ******s killed a homeless guy. Watch the video. The video can't lie like you do.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

sKiTzo said:
The thing you cop-lovers forget when you make these statements is that there was a video and we all saw it. 5 ******s killed a homeless guy. Watch the video. The video can't lie like you do.
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I'm not so sure he's arguing that their actions were...proper...

But rather that they were...legal? Hmm...

Also, I haven't seen the video.


Edit: And while a video (if unaltered) cannot lie, it can be misinterpreted by those viewing it, especially if it lacks full context.
Whether that is the case here..../shrug
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

SMTA said:
Force used to control is acceptable.

Excessive force was uncalled for, and resulted in his demise.

You need to understand the word excessive.
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:doh
Apparently you do.
The force that caused his death was not excessive.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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disneydude said:
So did O.J.
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And he was not guilty. So how about limiting yourself to this case as that case is not similar to this.
 
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Excon said:
:laughat:And he was not guilty. So how about limiting yourself to this case as that case is not similar to this.
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Never said it was....but you are saying that you have the jury verdict on your side. Just pointing out the jury's often aren't right. Sorry.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

sKiTzo said:
The thing you cop-lovers forget when you make these statements is that there was a video and we all saw it. 5 ******s killed a homeless guy. Watch the video. The video can't lie like you do.
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This has already been said and should have to be said again had you read the entire thread.

In one thread I am called a cop hater, in another I am called a cop lover. They both can not be true.
This should clue you in that what you see is a figment of your biased imagination and not reality.
The fact that you use derogatory language in addressing the Officers who were tasked with subduing a person who was greatly resisting with force, speaks to that biased imagination.

As for the video, it shows Kelly resisting with great force.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

disneydude said:
Never said it was....but you are saying that you have the jury verdict on your side. Just pointing out the jury's often aren't right. Sorry.
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Which is irrelevant, as you can not show they got it wrong.

The video clearly shows Kelly resisting.
The Officers training allows them to use force.

The required amount of Officers it took to subdue Kelly is what caused the crushing.
That is not murder or manslaughter, but Officers doing their job.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
yeah now that he's DEAD he can comply..

Utterly sickening.
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The Officers did not set out to kill him.
It is unfortunate, but died as a result of his resisting. Had he not resisted he would still be alive.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
The Officers did not set out to kill him.
It is unfortunate, but died as a result of his resisting. Had he not resisted he would still be alive.
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First of all, six armed police officers against one homeless, mentally ill individual-- Pathetic. Let's examine that for a moment. Why six police officers? Only cowards fight like that, six on one. Secondly, what did Kelly do to deserve being searched? Last I checked, this is America and people have rights. Should people simply agree to be searched at will with no cause? Lastly, Kelly was mentally ill. He was probably scared because he was surrounded by armed police officers. Fact is, the police don't know how to deal with the mentally ill.

I hope these cowards at least don't have a career to return to..
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
First of all, six armed police officers against one homeless, mentally ill individual-- Pathetic. Let's examine that for a moment. Why six police officers? Only cowards fight like that, six on one.
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You know not of what you speak.
Sometimes it can take more Officers to subdue an individual.


Alyssa said:
Secondly, what did Kelly do to deserve being searched? Last I checked, this is America and people have rights. Should people simply agree to be searched at will with no cause?
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A report of a suspicious person was called it.
He did not have to consent to any search.

Yet they found property not belonging to him.


Alyssa said:
He was probably scared because he was surrounded by armed police officers. Fact is, the police don't know how to deal with the mentally ill.
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Kelly was not scared, afraid or squat. He had had many run-ins with police. He was playing a game with them.
He even told the Officer to start swinging.


Alyssa said:
I hope these cowards ...
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Cowards do not confront hostile people. Can your bs.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
Which is irrelevant, as you can not show they got it wrong.

The video clearly shows Kelly resisting.
The Officers training allows them to use force.

The required amount of Officers it took to subdue Kelly is what caused the crushing.
That is not murder or manslaughter, but Officers doing their job.
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There was no resisting until the unprovoked baton blow to the stomach....watch the friggin video!

Of course, police can use force....but the law also says that there is no duty to submit to any unlawful or excessive use of force. This was clearly excessive and unlawful. These cops were thugs.....and give a bad name to the 99% of good cops out there.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
You know not of what you speak.
Sometimes it can take more Officers to subdue an individual.


A report of a suspicious person was called it.
He did not have to consent to any search.

Yet they found property not belonging to him.


Kelly was not scared, afraid or squat. He had had many run-ins with police. He was playing a game with them.
He even told the Officer to start swinging.


Cowards do not confront hostile people. Can your bs.
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Kelly was mentally ill. He did not purposely instigate the attack. And no, it doesn't take six armed police officers against one person.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
Kelly was mentally ill. He did not purposely instigate the attack. And no, it doesn't take six armed police officers against one person.
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Some people will ALWAYS justify police misconduct. It runs in their veins.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
Kelly was mentally ill. He did not purposely instigate the attack. And no, it doesn't take six armed police officers against one person.
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What?
Mentally ill can't resist? How absurd.
He purposely instigated the force used against him.
And yes it can take more than six Officers sometimes. Especially when it comes to the mentally ill and those on drugs.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

disneydude said:
Some people will ALWAYS justify police misconduct. It runs in their veins.
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And we know that you can't be referring to me, as I am more than willing to call out Police misconduct and wrongful actions.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

disneydude said:
Some people will ALWAYS justify police misconduct. It runs in their veins.
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And the people who do are almost ALWAYS consider themselves conservative. And this is not a real conservatives value. Again an area why I respect real libertarians as conservatives and not Republicans or these new fangled republicans who have a habit of calling themselves libertarians.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Excon said:
What?
Mentally ill can't resist? How absurd.
He purposely instigated the force used against him.
And yes it can take more than six Officers sometimes. Especially when it comes to the mentally ill and those on drugs.
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i didn't say that mentally ill people can't resist. I said Kelly did not instigate the attack. He was hallucinating and confused.
 
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Excon said:
And we know that you can't be referring to me, as I am more than willing to call out Police misconduct and wrongful actions.
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link?
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
i didn't say that mentally ill people can't resist. I said Kelly did not instigate the attack. He was hallucinating and confused.
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You said; did not purposely instigate the attack, and that is hogwash. He did.
Nor was he hallucinating and confused.
He showed he knew exactly what was being spoken about, and even demonstrated he knew. He was playing a game.
 
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Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

Alyssa said:
Kelly was mentally ill. He did not purposely instigate the attack. And no, it doesn't take six armed police officers against one person.
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I would suspect that it does take at least more than 1 police officer, if the goal is to capture the suspect, as I would think the case is here.

I would also think that having more officers would be better in most situations, to assist in quickly restraining the suspect. In this case it appears to have worked out badly though.
 
Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

poweRob said:
link?
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Can the bs.
Two off the top of my head.
Cop, separated by the truck bed, shoots and kills black man getting out of the truck with a knife in his hand.

Cops, having not received any report and not seeing any untoward action, coming upon someone from behind, who was not firing what they believe is a real gun... They order him to drop the weapon and he turns in response to the call. Not knowing if he even understood or fully heard what was said, he is gunned down as he turns.​
 
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