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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Once again, he was thrown to the ground on no legal basis whatsoever. He was not under arrest. He was not being detained. He could walk away. Instead, he was violent thrown to the ground and killed.

    At any time was he even told that he was under arrest? The only thing he "resisted" was being killed by increasing numbers of police officers assaulting him and he failed.

    What legal basis was he thrown to the ground in the first place?

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's absurd. He was face down on the ground with one arm wrenched up behind his back with what came to be a 1000 pounds of police on him. How was he resisting? But saying he can't breathe and cried out for his dad?

    You're claiming in that situation we was "resisting with great force" is police groupie sloganism.

    What happened is 100% unjustifiable. He was never even told he was under arrest nor had broken any law, was clearly unarmed and at no point attempted to assault any officer. He did try to walk away - which was 100% legal at that point. He had not been told he was being detained.

    For that non-offense totally legal action of trying to walk away from a cop pricking with him, he was thrown to the ground, numerous officers beating on him with clubs, big officers kneeing in his ribs, hitting him, tasering him in the face and literally crushing him to death with two of them using a car to balance to allow them both to put their clearly 200+ pounds each, plus the officer on top of him to crush him into the pavement.

    What the hell are you talking about for "great force?" of his "resistance?"

    The jury ruled they want cops to beat street bums to death in their city. They also voted they didn't want their taxes to go up from a civil lawsuit against their local government. The DA being of that government. Like the cops. Like who picked the jury pool for the jury. Like the judge who presided over the trial.

    The defense was simple enough. The make it an issue of whether they want the cops to do whatever it takes to get bums off the street or not?
    Wrong joko. He was in the wrong for resisting. And he was resiting with great force.
    You're playing a game asking how he was resiting when it is obvious in the video. You have lost any credibility you may have had by that.
    If he wasn't resisting his arm would have simply went into the crook of his back and they would have been able to cuff him, and been on their merry way. But that isn't what was happening.
    He was resiting the whole time.
    It can be seen in the video that they could not get his arm fully into the crook of his back as he was resisting. It can also be seen that he was trying to get up and away while it was happening. His resistance is what caused them to move from the camera view to behind the tree.

    So stop being absurd joko. He was resisting, and he was resiting with such force that they had tasered him multiple times to no effect.
    He was resisting with such force that they had to call in multiple back-ups.
    Kelly brought his death on by his own actions of resisting.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Once again, he was thrown to the ground on no legal basis whatsoever.
    Wrong again.
    You can not rewrite what happened. It is in the video.
    He placed his hands on an Officer which is a big no-no.
    He then failed to comply with the order to get on the ground, and instead attempted to flee.




    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He was not under arrest. He was not being detained. He could walk away. Instead, he was violent thrown to the ground and killed.
    Wrong he was detained and was not free to walk away.
    And the arrest was forthcoming which he resisted and refused to comply.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    "Please I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Please, I can't break, I can't breathe. Please, Please, I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

    Yeah, your right, that level of resistance deserves death. No officer should ever have to allow themselves to be assaulted with incessantly begging for their life.

    The tape shows he was not even a suspect of anything. The only thing they suspected was if he was the victim of a theft. But then it all changed with they decided he was just a street person.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong again.
    You can not rewrite what happened. It is in the video.
    He placed his hands on an Officer which is a big no-no.
    He then failed to comply with the order to get on the ground, and instead attempted to flee.




    Wrong he was detained and was not free to walk away.
    And the arrest was forthcoming which he resisted and refused to comply.

    That is totally false. You point to where he told he was being detained?

    You are just making it up in radical police groupie-ism. What "arrest was forthcoming?" Arrested for what? For standing up after the officer first assaulted him?

    All you keep posting is the bum had a duty to die because he was a bum and his resisting being killed became the justification to do so.

    The attitude and mindset of that officer, which became a mob mentality for all police arriving, was no different that German Brownshirts in 1938 towards Jews. His only offense was being a shirtless, longhaired street person. Nothing else the entire time.
    Last edited by joko104; 01-14-14 at 07:37 AM.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is totally false. You point to where he told he was being detained?
    Wrong again.

    His being told to sit down was his detention.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What "arrest was forthcoming?" Arrested for what? For standing up after the officer first assaulted him?
    His being told to get on the ground was his arrest.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    All you keep posting is the bum had a duty to die because he was a bum and his resisting being killed became the justification to do so.
    No joko. Stop twisting.
    His actions in resisting brought about his own death.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You are just making it up in radical police groupie-ism.
    You have already been told about this nonsense. It does not apply.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong again.

    His being told to sit down was his detention.




    His being told to get on the ground was his arrest.




    No joko. Stop twisting.
    His actions in resisting brought about his own death.


    You have already been told about this nonsense. It does not apply.

    You have yet to give any reason for the officer starting anything to begin with. He was just sitting there. Sitting there is not basis to search a person.

    In your view, the police can approach anyone, swear at the person, threatened the person, search the person, and if the person indicates any objection to this treatment the person has brought about his/her own death.

    He was killed because he was a poor street person. If he had been someone with short hair, dressed conventionally, the police would have never approached him in the first place.

    You also are obviously of the opinion the police may assault anyone they want to and the person has to allow him/herself to be assaulted - and if not is then "resisting."

    This started by the officer threatening to assault that man and then assaulting him by hitting him on the back.

    Would passively allow anyone to assault YOU, or only the police?

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    A statistic that does not exist is how many people police in the USA kill each year.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    BS! It was no such thing.
    Nor could you prove it to be.
    The entities are separate for each other.
    Bwaahaahaahaa!

    Nor can you prove the contrary.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He was just sitting there.
    He was not just sitting there.
    He was no compliant, and was playing stupid.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In your view, the police can approach anyone, swear at the person, threatened the person, search the person, and if the person indicates any objection to this treatment the person has brought about his/her own death.
    [...]
    You also are obviously of the opinion the police may assault anyone they want to and the person has to allow him/herself to be assaulted - and if not is then "resisting."
    Can the bs. Unless I state such, you have no clue what is or isn't in my own view.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He was killed because he was a poor street person. If he had been someone with short hair, dressed conventionally, the police would have never approached him in the first place.
    He died resiting arrest. Not because he was poor or living on the streets.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This started by the officer threatening to assault that man and then assaulting him by hitting him on the back.
    Wrong.
    The threat made was not acted upon and was only made in an attempt to gain compliance.
    There was no hitting him on the back of the head either. If you think that you are not paying attention or are seeing what you want to. Which speaks towards your bias.
    He swiped at his arm.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Would passively allow anyone to assault YOU, or only the police?
    I wouldn't be resisting. And I highly doubt you would be resisting either.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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