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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Your bias is so extreme that it interferes with your perception of reality.
    That would be you.
    You are the one making a false claim.
    Not me.
    The video does not show what you purport. It does not support your false claim.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    You are saying then, that the report rendered at this city council meeting by the office of internal affairs is not to be taken as fact?
    What I have said, and will continue to say is that it does not support what you contend. There was no falsification.
    And that it's conclusions matter not to a Jury. Do you really not understand these things?


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    You're not being very realistic.

    Your claims are what are not realistic.
    They are based on imaginative bs.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    In your world, it may not be fact, but in the public domain this is evidence admissible in a court of law.

    No it is not evidence, nor is it admissible.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That it wasn't admitted serves to prove my point, not yours.
    The fact that it wasn't admitted should tell you that it wasn't evidence or admissible.


    And again, as you were previously told. You do not get the jury process if you believe such.

    The Jury comes to a conclusion based on the evidence alone. Duh!
    Not on an agencies conclusions of the same evidence. That agencies conclusions are not evidence. Duh!
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    This is just another case of the system defending violent cops.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is just another case of the system defending violent cops.
    The system?
    A jury represents the people.

    Anyways, these Officer were doing their job with a person who was resisting with great force.
    It was unfortunate he died because he chose to resist, but it is not criminal on their part.

    At most, it is as opportunity to review and/or enhance training to establish protocol for such extreme situations. Training that will avoid the use of the body where it could unintentionally crush the chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The system?
    A jury represents the people.
    I'm guessing people, lawyers aren't part of the system and neither are juries. Hahaha wait, they are.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm guessing people, lawyers aren't part of the system and neither are juries. Hahaha wait, they are.
    "The system" as generally referred to, was trying to convict them.
    And I highly doubt you meant System in any other non-standard fashion.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    "The system" as generally referred to, was trying to convict them.
    The system as generally referred to? By whom? You? Lol, spare me this nonsense game you play where only the definitions you like apply. The system defended them. Which is why they're free but not innocent of having beaten a man so badly he died from his injuries.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The system as generally referred to? By whom? You? Lol, spare me this nonsense game you play where only the definitions you like apply. The system defended them.
    There you go again spouting nonsense.
    Pretend all you want. Doesn't change what I said.


    The "system" is what was trying to convict them.
    So can your bs.






    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which is why they're free but not innocent of having beaten a man so badly he died from his injuries.
    A few baton strikes and kicks, and four raps to the head with a taser breaking fragile bones is hardly being beaten so badly.
    It looked worse than it was. Mostly swelling and blood. That is all.

    And his asphyxiation, caused by his chest being crushed, is what killed him.
    You could say that the blood form his broken nose enhanced his inability to breath.
    But he died because his chest was crushed.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There you go again spouting nonsense.
    Pretend all you want. Doesn't change what I said. The "system" is what was trying to convict them.
    So can your bs.
    The system defended him. Take it up with the system buddy. Not me.

    A few baton strikes and kicks, and four raps to the head with a taser breaking fragile bones is hardly being beaten so badly.
    There you go again putting your opinion before facts. The coroner's conclusion was he died because of injuries sustained. This, as a fact, makes his beating a bad one - bad enough to cause death. Don't like it? Take it up with the coroner.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The system defended him. Take it up with the system buddy. Not me.
    No it didn't. You saying such is absurd.

    The system is what was trying to convict him.
    It was not trying to defend them.
    They got their own lawyers for that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There you go again putting your opinion before facts. The coroner's conclusion was he died because of injuries sustained. This, as a fact, makes his beating a bad one - bad enough to cause death. Don't like it? Take it up with the coroner.
    Wrong.

    It was a result of asphyxiation caused by his chest being crushed.
    A lack of oxygen from his facial injuries would not have caused death and are only contributing factors.
    The chest being crushed though, would have.

    This has already been addressed.
    I already provided what the coroner supposedly said. (See actual quote below and read the article.)

    But her testimony is questionable.
    She is on the record saying it was a discrete act of compression that caused his death.
    She says what she said was misinterpreted.

    So be thankful I am going with what I am.
    As she was all over the place.



    Aruna Singhania, an Orange County coroner’s office pathologist, testified that Thomas died of brain damage from lack of oxygen caused by chest compression and injuries to his face.
    Coroner's testimony in Kelly Thomas beating challenged

    The other injuries, as I already addressed, contributed to, but his chest being crushed caused the asphyxiation as he would have likely survived had it not been crushed.

    And just to complicate things further.
    She later made her determination based on the following.
    Not the actual injuries that she originally saw three months prior.


    Singhania said that after examining Thomas' body she couldn't determine the cause of death but reached a conclusion about three months later after conducting a toxicology report, a microscopic review and watching the video of the 2011 beating.


    You might want to actually learn what the evidence is before speaking about that which you know not.
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