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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Well, you made no mention of the falsifying of reports. They had filed their reports. When they found out about the video, and it was possible they might be charged, the chief admitted he let them rewrite the reports. If they had not lied in the original reports, there would have been no need to rewrite them. That is so illegal - and falls under "wrongful actions". Guess what, excon? Ya didn't call it out....
    What are you talking about?
    Link?



    Edit

    Is this what you are talking about? I hope not.


    The anonymous informant on the Kelly Thomas beating called back into the John and Ken show on KFI today.

    Notable claims made by the informant:


    [...]

    The police reports were ordered to be rewritten many times because management did not like the way the reports were written.

    [...]

    The Return of the Informant


    If this is what you are referring to, thank you again for showing you do not know of what you speak.
    It does not say falsified.
    It does not say the Officers falsified and then were allowed to change their reports.
    Hell, apparently it isn't even true as it surely did not come up at trial, did it?
    An anonymous source! iLOL D'oh! Duh!


    And you guess what and answer the following.
    1. Why would I call out something that I am not aware of?
    2. And why in the hell would I call out the Officers based on an anonymous radio show caller's bs?
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So, just because that Jury found them innocent does mean they are.

    You know this will be appealed Right. Already 3 town Councilmembers have been forced to take a hike. The Police Chief will be next then who will be round to protect these guys.
    Not guilty verdicts are not appealed. Oher charges may be filed. Or the feds may try to stick their noses in a local matter, but they will lose.

    I was not there, either at the scene, or at the trial, so I have no real evidence on which to make a judgement, but obviously a jury of his peers felt the case lacked sufficient evidence.

    Trial by media is a dangerous thing.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You can see it when his resistance moves the two Officers trying to subdue him.
    Then you have the fact that the multiple taserings had no effect.
    speak.
    At what exact time mark(s) in this video do you see this "great force" of resistance?

    http://www.ocregister.com/video/v/16...ton-government
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong. As testified to, none of their actions were outside of their training.
    A use-of-force trainer testified Tuesday that the actions of two Fullerton police officers charged in the 2011 beating death of Kelly Thomas were acting within the department’s policies.
    Officers in Kelly Thomas beating acted within policy, trainer testifies - Los Angeles Times
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    1. Rubio testifies that there was no excessive force, and there was nothing in the video that was not consistent with their training.
    2. The DA then subpoenas department records showing they were fired for excessive force, and thus, Rubio is a liar.
    3. The corrupt judge, after allowing the documents to be subpoenaed, doesn't allow them to be used as evidence that the key defense witness lied. We are never told why.

    If you are going to back this flagrant display of injustice, then it's clear you are part of the problem.

    Kelly Thomas case: Personnel records will not be evidence - The Orange County Register

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    1. Rubio testifies that there was no excessive force, and there was nothing in the video that was not consistent with their training.
    2. The DA then subpoenas department records showing they were fired for excessive force, and thus, Rubio is a liar.
    3. The corrupt judge, after allowing the documents to be subpoenaed, doesn't allow them to be used as evidence that the key defense witness lied. We are never told why.

    If you are going to back this flagrant display of injustice, then it's clear you are part of the problem.

    Kelly Thomas case: Personnel records will not be evidence - The Orange County Register
    What part do you not understand about, the verdict?

    Not guilty on ALL counts.....ALL counts...no just one but all

    Just WTF is that telling you, eh?

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And why in the hell would I call out the Officers based on an anonymous radio show caller's bs?
    Because it's the main reason the chief had to step down. He admitted it at the time. I spent a couple of minutes to find a link for you regarding this, but I'm not going to waste my time looking any further. What's the point? You'll just be in denial about that too.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What part do you not understand about, the verdict?

    Not guilty on ALL counts.....ALL counts...no just one but all

    Just WTF is that telling you, eh?
    The judge didn't allow evidence that would have shown the key defense witness to be a liar (didn't I already say that and back it with a link?)
    This would have forced a guilty verdict. How can such vital evidence be barred? They don't tell us, do they? That is called CORRUPTION.
    You will respond to this by ignoring what I just said, and continue to pretend that the trial was just and fair, and that it's normal to bar documented evidence that would have impeached the key witness for the defense. Again, you will ignore this. I know because I've dealt with many shills just like you.

    Still standing by for response to post #243
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    The judge didn't allow evidence that would have shown the key defense witness to be a liar (didn't I already say that and back it with a link?)
    This would have forced a guilty verdict. How can such vital evidence be barred? They don't tell us, do they? That is called CORRUPTION.
    You will respond to this by ignoring what I just said, and continue to pretend that the trial was just and fair, and that it's normal to bar documented evidence that would have impeached the key witness for the defense. Again, you will ignore this. I know because I've dealt with many shills just like you.

    Still standing by for response to post #243
    Before you go any further with your nonsense

    1 Present, the evidence, of the *corrupt* judge

    2 Do you know, the difference between being tried by the media and being tried, as in a court of law?

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    At what exact time mark(s) in this video do you see this "great force" of resistance?

    Full, unedited Kelly Thomas confrontation video (35 min.) : The Orange County Register
    I see you haven't been paying attention huh?
    Much like to the information you used to make the false assertion about falsifying reports.


    Let me clue you into something.
    While it is in the video, I do not have to show any such force being used in it, as the following information is know to us.

    The Officers reported and testified that he was, and that they were surprised by it.
    That it was so great that they thought he may have been on drugs.
    He resisted with such force that multiple taserings did not effect him and that he resisted with such force that multiple calls for back up were made.
    He resisted with such force that it took six Officers to subdue him.

    Do you truly not understand these things?


    In the following, while one Officer is trying to get Kelly's arm completely into the crook of his back, which Kelly can be seen to be resisting, Kelly can also be seen to push up and then forward, moving both Officers.
    Not one, but two. Do you also not understand that?





    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    1. Rubio testifies that there was no excessive force, and there was nothing in the video that was not consistent with their training.
    2. The DA then subpoenas department records showing they were fired for excessive force, and thus, Rubio is a liar.
    3. The corrupt judge, after allowing the documents to be subpoenaed, doesn't allow them to be used as evidence that the key defense witness lied. We are never told why.

    If you are going to back this flagrant display of injustice, then it's clear you are part of the problem.

    Kelly Thomas case: Personnel records will not be evidence - The Orange County Register


    You really have no clue. Nor is that the way it works.
    The only flagrant display here, is the assertions coming from your biased imagination.
    Corrupt Judge? Where do you come up with such nonsense?

    The expert is the training Officer. Not the person who fired them.
    It is really ridiculous to say he lied.
    All you are showing is that the reasoning of the two is at odds.
    And as the training Officer is the expert, he has more credibility then the other who had termination authority.

    Which, in conjunction with the Jury's verdict, will most likely be the reason they get their jobs back.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Because it's the main reason the chief had to step down. He admitted it at the time. I spent a couple of minutes to find a link for you regarding this, but I'm not going to waste my time looking any further. What's the point? You'll just be in denial about that too.

    Bs.
    And you are even trying to switch it up.
    There is nothing credible that you can provide to back up what you originally said.
    The anonymous source does not say that the reports were falsified.


    And frankly, it appears to be you who has trouble accepting.
    The Jury found them not guilty. Accept it and move on.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong again.
    If you don't like it. Take it up with the Jury.
    Maybe they can explain to you how wrong you are.
    That's a logical fallacy I had pointed out to you in another thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-to...post1062817477

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