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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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    Good gawd man. There should have been no asking to begin with. Do you really not get that?
    Your posts in this thread begged for it to be asked.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Your posts in this thread begged for it to be asked.
    No my posts did not beg for any question to be asked.

    That is nothing more than the personal factor I spoke about. Which is based upon your own biased imagination.
    It wasn't needed or relevant.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Then may, I suggest not fighting with the police, Alyssa

    It's that simple
    Excessive use of force.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not so sure he's arguing that their actions were...proper...

    But rather that they were...legal? Hmm...

    Also, I haven't seen the video.


    Edit: And while a video (if unaltered) cannot lie, it can be misinterpreted by those viewing it, especially if it lacks full context.
    Whether that is the case here..../shrug
    As soon as Ramos put on gloves and threatened the victim with violence "see these fists? they're getting ready to f you up", is when they deviated from protocol. The victim was never told he was being placed under arrest - in fact, they had stopped questioning him or even talking about the initial reason for contact. They are supposed to bring whoever made the report over to determine if Thomas was the one they saw breaking into cars. They didn't do that.

    What escalated it to a full scale assault was nothing more than Ramos bullying the victim, then when both cops swung their billy clubs at him for no reason, he took off terrified and running for his life. They were not acting according to legal law enforcement procedure leading up to that moment, or any time after. At one point in the video, you see Cicinelli raining blows down full force onto Thomas's face with the butt of his taser, and one of the cops holding Thomas down moves very quickly out of the way. He later said that he was trying to dodge the splattering blood.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Excessive use of force.
    Read up on enforcement levels.... response to resistance/levels of resistance

    Also educate yourself on.... Graham v Connor, Canton v Ohio, Garner v Tennessee, etc

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This has already been said and should have to be said again had you read the entire thread.

    In one thread I am called a cop hater, in another I am called a cop lover. They both can not be true.
    This should clue you in that what you see is a figment of your biased imagination and not reality.
    The fact that you use derogatory language in addressing the Officers who were tasked with subduing a person who was greatly resisting with force, speaks to that biased imagination.

    As for the video, it shows Kelly resisting with great force.
    If that's what you think it shows, then I must give you the benefit of the doubt. At what time in the video can we see this "great force"?

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The Officers did not set out to kill him.
    It is unfortunate, but died as a result of his resisting. Had he not resisted he would still be alive.
    Resist WHAT? They never said he was under arrest.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And we know that you can't be referring to me, as I am more than willing to call out Police misconduct and wrongful actions.
    You have to know what constitutes police misconduct before you can call it out. You display a gross lack of knowledge in this area, and it becomes more and more apparent with every post you make.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I am more than willing to call out Police misconduct and wrongful actions.
    Well, you made no mention of the falsifying of reports. They had filed their reports. When they found out about the video, and it was possible they might be charged, the chief admitted he let them rewrite the reports. If they had not lied in the original reports, there would have been no need to rewrite them. That is so illegal - and falls under "wrongful actions". Guess what, excon? Ya didn't call it out....

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    As soon as Ramos put on gloves and threatened the victim with violence "see these fists? they're getting ready to f you up", is when they deviated from protocol.
    Matters not. It was an attempt to gain Kellys compliance.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    The victim was never told he was being placed under arrest - in fact, they had stopped questioning him or even talking about the initial reason for contact. They are supposed to bring whoever made the report over to determine if Thomas was the one they saw breaking into cars. They didn't do that.
    They didn't have to bring him and/or present him to anybody.
    They found property not belonging to him in his back pack.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    What escalated it to a full scale assault was nothing more than Ramos bullying the victim, then when both cops swung their billy clubs at him for no reason,
    No, what escalated it was Kelly refusing to follow the Officer's orders, and then his fleeing.
    That is why he was struck. Which means it was for a reason. Duh!



    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    he took off terrified and running for his life.

    BS. There is no evidence that he was terrified. None. But there is evidence that he wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    They were not acting according to legal law enforcement procedure leading up to that moment, or any time after. At one point in the video, you see Cicinelli raining blows down full force onto Thomas's face with the butt of his taser, and one of the cops holding Thomas down moves very quickly out of the way. He later said that he was trying to dodge the splattering blood.
    Wrong. As testified to, none of their actions were outside of their training.
    A use-of-force trainer testified Tuesday that the actions of two Fullerton police officers charged in the 2011 beating death of Kelly Thomas were acting within the department’s policies.
    Officers in Kelly Thomas beating acted within policy, trainer testifies - Los Angeles Times


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    If that's what you think it shows, then I must give you the benefit of the doubt. At what time in the video can we see this "great force"?
    You can see it when his resistance moves the two Officers trying to subdue him.
    Then you have the fact that the multiple taserings had no effect.
    And the multiple calls for assistance.


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Resist WHAT? They never said he was under arrest.
    Oh, can it.
    As soon as he was told to get on the ground they were placing him under arrest.
    He resisted and attempted to flee.



    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    You have to know what constitutes police misconduct before you can call it out. You display a gross lack of knowledge in this area, and it becomes more and more apparent with every post you make.

    You again are showing you know not of what you speak.
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