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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.

    You want to save the mentally ill? Absolutely but keep them medicated in a secured facility.....or do you keep them on the streets where everyone is at risk?

    A *cool* thing about the mentally ill, they can kill or injure and get away with it as they don't know any better...
    Did the cops Taze him? Can't six cops simply sit on the guy til he complies? What is with the beating? This is where cops are in the absolute wrong.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They beat a man to death.
    The picture of him in the hospital was horrible. The fact that he was autistic and crying for his officer dad to come help him makes even worse.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    They did not beat him to death.
    From the sounds of things, they beat him, sat on him, tazed him...

    He later died mainly because they sat on him, but partially because he was beaten and tazed.

    I don't see how you can, with a straight face, regardless of your opinion as to the legality of said actions on the part of the police, seriously state that the aforementioned beating did not at least contribute to his death.
    FFS at the very least the stress of his body having to deal with the damage from being beaten would have hindered his recovery from the other injuries.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    They blasted his face with a taser twice… in the face. wtf…

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    From the sounds of things, they beat him, sat on him, tazed him...

    He later died mainly because they sat on him, but partially because he was beaten and tazed.

    I don't see how you can, with a straight face, regardless of your opinion as to the legality of said actions on the part of the police, seriously state that the aforementioned beating did not at least contribute to his death.
    FFS at the very least the stress of his body having to deal with the damage from being beaten would have hindered his recovery from the other injuries.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Idiotic? When I read your posts, that's the way it sounds.........he had it coming.
    That is nothing more than you reading into it what you want to.
    Saying he is the cause, which he is, in no way shape or form says he deserved it or had it coming.


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why did they have to beat his head to a pulp?
    I see you are not paying attention. They did not.
    One Officer, Officer Cicinelli, felt he was out of options in trying to subdue him, as Kelly was resisting with great force.
    So he smashed his face with the butt of the taser.


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He might have been passive aggressive or something,
    WTF?
    Passive aggressive?
    Do you also not understand the significance of 5 to 6 tasering having no effect?
    Do you also not understand multiple calls for backup?
    Do you also not understand the words of the Officer saying he felt that he was out of options?

    My Gawd! He was fighting against them so much that it took that many Officers to restrain him. Unfortunately their weight crushed him.

    Passive aggressive? Not!

    Thankfully the Jury got it right.


    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    but did he need to beaten and suffocated?
    These officers are suppose to be professionals.[/QUOTE]And an Officer may meet force with force to subdue a resisting individual. That includes striking the individual. They even give officers force multipliers/specific tools to assist. Such as batons.

    Nor was it like the Officers set out to suffocate him. I hope that isn't what you are suggesting.





    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Anyone that is defending the police did not watch the 15 minute beat down administered.

    Or you didn't notice that the resistance started when the police hit him with a baton unprovoked.

    The precedence here is that cops have a license to kill. We'll see how much you support this if it's your kids that encounter these thugs that call themselves coos.
    There was no "beat down".
    There was an attempt to subdue.
    And most of that was wrestling with the resisting person.

    The baton was in direct response to Kelly failing to comply. So saying it was unprovoked is ridiculous.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Cause and effect.

    It is called proximate cause.

    He would not have died but for the excessive use of force by the cops.

    Hopefully, your karma will catch you quickly.
    But not for his non-compliance ...
    But not for his resiting ...
    Force would not have been used.
    He is the proximate cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Hopefully, your karma will catch you quickly.

    Focus. This is about him, not me.

    His obviously caught him though.





    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You can say it 1, 10 , 100, 1,000,000 times...it doesn't make it true. Obviously it is you who hasn't watched the video. The blow to the midsection that instigated this entire this was completely unprovoked. But hey...it is obvious that you either want to see something that isn't there...or simple haven't watched it. Either way you are going to believe what you are going to believe.
    It is true because it is true.

    Obviously you haven't watched the video as it was not unprovoked. It was in direct response to Kelly's actions.

    As already provided, so pay attention.
    Kelly laid hands on an Officer and then failed to comply when told to get on the ground. And instead of complying he then attempted to flee.

    Kelly provoked it use.


    Unfortunately for you, I have the Jury's verdict on my side.
    What do you have? Only what you wish to believe, which has already been shown to be unrealistic.


    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The words on your image in reference to Kelly?

    Between 1990 and 2011, Thomas had 92 encounters with the police. These encounters ranged from minor infractions such as trespassing to assault with a deadly weapon.

    Death of Kelly Thomas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    You are a complete idiot to say is death was not a result of them beating him; they did, in fact, beat him to death.
    That would be you, as he was not beaten to death. Learn the damn evidence.
    He asphyxiated as a result of being crushed by the Officers weight.



    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Do you need me to provide videos that show excessive force (aside from the one in question), so that you can understand how stupid you are? Spare me your other videos irrelevant to this case.

    Spare me your bs. He was resisting and was not beaten to death as you have falsely asserted.

    And my offer was to show the comparison between one who was not resisting, as compared to what Kelly was doing, which was resisting.
    Which is very relevant.



    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Man sitting while Cop puts on gloves (presumably to search the man)
    Officer: “Feet out in front of you”
    Man hesitant, but complies
    Officer: “Put your hands on your f*cking knees (while feet out in front)”
    (Note: This is not a position which an officer would normally perform a search, and there was no reason to order him into this position – his current sitting position with elbows rested on knees is absolutely unthreatening)
    Man complies
    Officer: “Now, see my fist?”
    Man: “Yeah, what about ‘em?”
    Officer: “They’re getting ready to f*ck you up”
    Man:”Well start punching then, dude, I’m tired on playing these games” (as man puts his hands up)
    Officer forcefully grabs him by the elbow
    Man stands
    Officers pull out batons
    Frantic man backs away in fear of the threat he received for no reason
    Beating begins
    Man dies
    Utter spin and ignores other happenings in an effort to spin.
    Just as before, Kelly had been playing a game. Here he is pretending he didn't know what was expected and then that he couldn't do it, which we both know he already showed he knew exactly what was expected and was capable of doing it.
    He was playing a game, not cooperating and lying.
    And after the Officer pushed his arm in the direction he wanted him to comply, Kelly laid hands on the Officer. That is a big no-no.
    Then after getting to his feet in an act of defiance, he refused to get on the ground when ordered.



    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Do you not understand the significance of 5 to 6 tasering having no effect?
    Yeah ordering someone on their stomach and comply with orders while being tased six times (as if he could comply while being tased) while on the ground with 6 officers on scene. Excessive Force


    So you are obviously saying that you do not understand the significance of 5 to six tasering having no effect. Figures.
    And as the taserings didn't not work, it is absurd to make any such claim that they were excessive force. Duh!


    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    No, there were so many officers that beating him to death wasn’t necessary as he consistently pleaded that he couldn’t breath
    He was not being beaten to death. If you think so, you are seeing things.
    He was fighting against them so much that it took that many Officers to restrain him. Unfortunately their weight crushed him.


    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    That jury is as f*cked in the head as you
    Emotional response. And again, wrong.
    Go figure.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    5 cops can easily take someone like Thomas down and cuff them in a matter of seconds, without throwing 1 punch or using a taser. The video shows he wasn't resisting. If you are getting tased and beat with batons and bludgeoned to death, you might involuntarily try to protect yourself, but that isn't resisting, is it?
    Is that what you think?
    Strange as the video shows that line of thought to be wrong.

    It wasn't easy.
    And he was resisting so much so, that multiple taserings had no effect. Go figure.





    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They blasted his face with a taser twice… in the face. wtf…
    That is not what happened. Learn the evidence.
    Officer Cicinelli, felt he was out of options in trying to subdue him, as Kelly was resisting with great force, and smashed his face with it.. That would be using it as a blunt object.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is nothing more than you reading into it what you want to.
    Saying he is the cause, which he is, in no way shape or form says he deserved it or had it coming.


    I see you are not paying attention. They did not.
    One Officer, Officer Cicinelli, felt he was out of options in trying to subdue him, as Kelly was resisting with great force.
    So he smashed his face with the butt of the taser.


    WTF?
    Passive aggressive?
    Do you also not understand the significance of 5 to 6 tasering having no effect?
    Do you also not understand multiple calls for backup?
    Do you also not understand the words of the Officer saying he felt that he was out of options?

    My Gawd! He was fighting against them so much that it took that many Officers to restrain him. Unfortunately their weight crushed him.

    Passive aggressive? Not!

    Thankfully the Jury got it right.




    These officers are suppose to be professionals.
    And an Officer may meet force with force to subdue a resisting individual. That includes striking the individual. They even give officers force multipliers/specific tools to assist. Such as batons.

    Nor was it like the Officers set out to suffocate him. I hope that isn't what you are suggesting.





    There was no "beat down".
    There was an attempt to subdue.
    And most of that was wrestling with the resisting person.

    The baton was in direct response to Kelly failing to comply. So saying it was unprovoked is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, he got that face from a little wrestling with officers. BTW, your post sucks ****, and accomplished nothing.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, he got that face from a little wrestling with officers.
    Still not paying attention I see.

    So again. From what you quoted and obviously didn't fully read, or understand.
    They did not.
    One Officer, Officer Cicinelli, felt he was out of options in trying to subdue him, as Kelly was resisting with great force.
    So he smashed his face with the butt of the taser.

    That is what caused the facial injuries.
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