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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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    LE is really a behavior/based response service/provider. Sometimess the underlying reason for whacked out EDP, drugs, behavioral/cognitive issues can be managed with specialized training or with tactics....but most cannot


    You need to realize is that in some situations, cops can't be concerned with, the ****ing whys, we just have to handle, the whats. Oftentimes that is completely dependent on the individual in question and no amount of comms may avoid a more intrusive *in your face* intervention.
    To me the man face clearly states who was wrong. No need for an unarmed man to have this happen.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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    To me the man face clearly states who was wrong. No need for an unarmed man to have this happen.
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.

    You want to save the mentally ill? Absolutely but keep them medicated in a secured facility.....or do you keep them on the streets where everyone is at risk?

    A *cool* thing about the mentally ill, they can kill or injure and get away with it as they don't know any better...

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.

    You want to save the mentally ill? Absolutely but keep them medicated in a secured facility.....or do you keep them on the streets where everyone is at risk?

    A *cool* thing about the mentally ill, they can kill or injure and get away with it as they don't know any better...
    Where was Emergency Services in all this? Where was the mental health professional during the detainment of that man? Do you see that person in the video with the police? I don't. My ex-wife is a mental health therapist who worked for Emergency Services in that very capacity to help the police deal with these people. Not once did she ever convey a story where the person needed to be beaten beyond recognition and suffocated to protect her life or the officers. Before the man was taken into custody, a mental health professional like her should have been on the scene. Every state has these professionals, and they are typically semi-independent operations shared by cities and/or counties. They work 24/7 with local magistrates to detain mentally ill people when necessary.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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    Where was Emergency Services in all this? Where was the mental health professional during the detainment of that man? Do you see that person in the video with the police? I don't. My ex-wife is a mental health therapist who worked for Emergency Services in that very capacity to help the police deal with these people. Not once did she ever convey a story where the person needed to be beaten beyond recognition and suffocated to protect her life or the officers. Before the man was taken into custody, a mental health professional like her should have been on the scene. Every state has these professionals, and they are typically semi-independent operations shared by cities and/or counties. They work 24/7 with local magistrates to detain mentally ill people when necessary.
    Stop sending cops to deal with things that aren't police problems.... call a psychiatrist, instead..yet, they still call, the cops when they need someone picked up because they won't.

    There is a threshold where it matters not the reason for the behavior - the behavior, whatever the cause, must be handled in a timely and decisive manner. If it is not, other people may be hurt and or killed. Oftentimes when things reach this point, it does not go well for the subject involved.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Stop sending cops to deal with things that aren't police problems.... call a psychiatrist, instead..yet, they still call, the cops when they need someone picked up because they won't.

    There is a threshold where it matters not the reason for the behavior - the behavior, whatever the cause, must be handled in a timely and decisive manner. If it is not, other people may be hurt and or killed. Oftentimes when things reach this point, it does not go well for the subject involved.
    Show me in the video when an immediate concern was warranted. There was plenty of time to call in the mental healther professional.

    ...when they need someone picked up because they won't.
    ^^^ What's this suppose to mean?
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.

    You want to save the mentally ill? Absolutely but keep them medicated in a secured facility.....or do you keep them on the streets where everyone is at risk?

    A *cool* thing about the mentally ill, they can kill or injure and get away with it as they don't know any better...
    Almost as cool as cops getting away with murder.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Stop sending cops to deal with things that aren't police problems.... call a psychiatrist, instead..yet, they still call, the cops when they need someone picked up because they won't.

    There is a threshold where it matters not the reason for the behavior - the behavior, whatever the cause, must be handled in a timely and decisive manner. If it is not, other people may be hurt and or killed. Oftentimes when things reach this point, it does not go well for the subject involved.
    Ah, it's OK for cops to murder since it wasn't their job.

    Bull****.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.
    Point out in the video where the subject showed any indication of wishing to do harm to himself or anyone else.

    Point out how many officers were present and capable of properly restraining him in the midst of 100 pleas for mercy and help.

    That’s what I thought.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have seen how fast things go south when a mentally ill subject is truly wishing to harm themselves or others. I'm empathetic to their situation but fully recognize and accept the fact that when the need arises force whether it be non lethal or deadly.... *said individual* has bought and paid for it.

    You want to save the mentally ill? Absolutely but keep them medicated in a secured facility.....or do you keep them on the streets where everyone is at risk?

    A *cool* thing about the mentally ill, they can kill or injure and get away with it as they don't know any better...
    Did you see the video of the beating?
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

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    They did not beat him to death.
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