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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Cops beat a man to the point that he dies, and it’s the man’s fault for resisting.
    I’m sorry but I’m awestruck that there are people this stupid in the world.
    Plus, the idea that he was "resisting" is very much up for debate. I refuse to link the video of the beating here, since it's absolutely heinous, but it's out there.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What, I still can't figure out... is how someone can watch, the video and come to the conclusion that this dude was being cooperative and not resisting.
    I wouldn't say he was being "cooperative;" however, his level of "resistance" did not merit the force used to subdue (and eventually kill) him. If cops are going to use force, it is their responsibility to use an appropriate level of force. They clearly did not in this case.
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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong you are. They are not rouge Officer.

    If he hadn't resisted he would still be alive.

    You force police to get on top of you to subdue you, and you are responsible.
    Even if they instigate/escalate/etc it?

    So basically, we are supposed to take it?

    "Sir, how can I help you"
    ::baton to stomach::
    "STOP RESISTING"
    "I didn't do anything"
    "HE'S RESISTING!!!"
    ::kick to face::

    you see where I'm going with this?

    The accountability isn't there anymore.




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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Plus, the idea that he was "resisting" is very much up for debate. I refuse to link the video of the beating here, since it's absolutely heinous, but it's out there.
    "Resisting" is strictly interpretation these days. They make the rules up as they go.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    "Resisting" is strictly interpretation these days. They make the rules up as they go.
    Precisely. And once the use of force has been self-justified, there seems to be no concept of degree. It's either no force, or beat the guy within an inch of his life (or worse).
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I wouldn't say he was being "cooperative;" however, his level of "resistance" did not merit the force used to subdue (and eventually kill) him. If cops are going to use force, it is their responsibility to use an appropriate level of force. They clearly did not in this case.
    A lot of that "resistance" is the body natural attempt to breathe. Any animal just not humans is going to give every effort to breathe.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Precisely. And once the use of force has been self-justified, there seems to be no concept of degree. It's either no force, or beat the guy within an inch of his life (or worse).
    See....Liberals and Libertarians can get along (albeit on most topics aside from guns and money)

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    See....Liberals and Libertarians can get along (albeit on most topics aside from guns and money)
    I have a lot of "libertarian" views, except when it comes to economics.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I have a lot of "libertarian" views, except when it comes to economics.
    And I have a ton of "liberal" views, except when it comes to economics, gov programs, and...well guns. I love guns.

    See that...we may yet share a drink and a healthy debate.

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    Re: Police not guilty in Kelly Thomas death; DA won't try 3rd officer

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Have you watched the video? The blow was absolutely unprovoked....and BTW...I think any reasonable person would try to get away from a cop that just landed a blow to your midsection with his baton. The guy knew that these cops were going to beat the **** out of him.
    You are talking horse ****.
    Obviously you haven't watched the video as it was not unprovoked.

    As already provided, so pay attention.
    Kelly laid hands on an Officer and then failed to comply when told to get on the ground. And instead of complying he then attempted to flee.

    Kelly provoked it use.



    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...but the law is clear, there is no law against resisting an unlawful use of force.
    iLOL
    There was no unlawful use of force.
    Where do you come up with this bs?



    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In fact, the jury instructions are very clear that ... Try again.

    iLOL
    You try again.

    As it is very clear that the jury found in favor of the Officers.
    Last edited by Excon; 01-16-14 at 05:45 AM.
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