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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, not a spokesman for the American people. Just passing on what I read, heard and experienced at the time. For me, I view the impeachment of Bill Clinton sort of as a power play for the Republicans. A big over reach on their part. But apparently you do not, but that is politics. It just seems back then there were far more people who viewed the process in my terms than yours. Does that make it right or make either own of us wrong. Not in our minds it does not. You thought it was the right thing to do, I thought of it as a vast over reach. In the end it seems most Americans thought as I. But that doesn't make that thought right or wrong, just the prevailing thought of the time.
    I think it was a great civics lesson for the entire country that there are checks and balances and that behavior matters in public office. I would have been disappointed had the House not impeached Clinton and I would have also been disappointed had Clinton been removed from office. Some things should just be beyond politics

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You think that bolded part is true just because you say it?
    Well, if you look at Clintons approval number during that time, yes I do. If you followed the newspaper reporting, the news on TV, yes I do. If you look at the history of it, yes I do. Clinton went into the Impeachment proceedings with a 56% approval rating. One would think this impeachment proceedings going on, every piece of evidence and all the negatives associated with an impeachment trial, his approval ratings would drop. They didn't, when it was over Clinton had a 63% approval rating.

    I also think the public showed it disapproval with the impeachment back in November of 1998, the House proceedings began in December of 1998. In the sixth year of any presidents term, the party out of power usually picks up 20 or more seats in the house during that midterm election. The Republicans lost 6 seats that year another item that show how Americans felt about the impeachment process. There are probably more indications, but here are a couple of articles for that time which showed the publics support for Clinton and the decline of support for the Republicans

    IMPEACHMENT - THE POLLS - Public Support for the President, and for Closure, Emerges Unshaken - NYTimes.com

    This one shows the publics support for Clinton and the rise in the unfavorable rating of the Republican Party because of the impeachment process from 52% to 58%. Here is another article concerning polling at that time:

    Poll: Americans remain opposed to Clinton impeachment - October 13, 1998

    55% of Americans says they are opposed to impeachment.

    Here are excerpts.

    Your U.S. Representative Should Vote...

    For impeachment All voters 34% Likely voters 41%
    Against impeachment All voters 62% Likely voters 55%


    Question: If the House does vote to impeach Clinton and send the case to the Senate for trial, what would you want your Senators to do: vote in favor of convicting Clinton and removing him from office, or vote against convicting Clinton so he will remain in office?

    Your U.S. Senators Should Vote...

    For removing Clinton from office all voters 31% likely voters 35%
    Against removing Clinton from office all voter 63% likely voters 58%
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    If I recall correctly, Senator Byrd [RIP] felt much the same way. He basically stated that while he felt the charges were very serious, he didn't want to be on record as voting to impeach a President. Would he have felt the same way if it were a Republican President? Who knows? I would like to think so.
    It is almost time to go get the grand daughter. I don't know about a Republican president. I think a Republican president's morals would have been higher.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I think it was a great civics lesson for the entire country that there are checks and balances and that behavior matters in public office. I would have been disappointed had the House not impeached Clinton and I would have also been disappointed had Clinton been removed from office. Some things should just be beyond politics
    On that I agree, something's do indeed need to be beyond politics.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The problem is in this case congress was not in recess.
    Wouldn't that be better stated as McConnell's GOPs changed the rules so the Senate is "technically" never in recess?This GOP changing of the Senate rules came before the "recess appt." problem and should be addressed first, correct ?
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Wouldn't that be better stated as McConnell's GOPs changed the rules so the Senate is "technically" never in recess?
    Nope, the senate sets the rules for their recesses.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is almost time to go get the grand daughter. I don't know about a Republican president. I think a Republican president's morals would have been higher.
    With all respect to your polls on impeachment and other matters, I've never seen you trot out the same type of poll as far as any gun measure is concerned, such as the true conservative Toomey/Manchin, Manchin being your guy.Mr. Obama's EOs on anything guns will be added to the "I" list .
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I don't think this is a scandal, but really, you don't think there is even a Constitutional question here? Don't you think there is a separation of powers issue when the executive branch declares the Senate to be in recess, even though they have not adjourned and do not declare themselves to be in recess? If the SC lets this through, there is really no point in the Senate confirming anyone, as the President can just make appointments at will, and the Senate will be nullified.
    If the Senate goes GOP, they can and will block appts, unless done during recess.
    Are we ever "technically" in recess and who changed those rules ?
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If the Senate goes GOP, they can and will block appts, unless done during recess.
    Are we ever "technically" in recess and who changed those rules ?
    I would suggest actually READING the oral arguments that were made, and then if you have questions ask. This is discussed, at length from many angles, in the arguments.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...-1281_d1o2.pdf

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You think that bolded part is true just because you say it?
    Do you only agree/disagree with legit polling based on your lean?
    How about if the SCOTUS rules against American polls, as with ACA and Citizens United?
    Did Dems persue Reagan when laws were clearly broken in Iran/Contra ?
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