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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When it comes to the nominees of both parties, it is as you state. More and more it is a choice of two evils. I know you are talking about the choice between McConnell and Bevins in the Republican Primary. But for quite a lot of independents come general election time, it does boil down to holding one's nose and voting for what they consider the least worst candidate.

    When I worked at LBAD, I lived in Winchester.

    I would love to see McConnell gone, but bottom line, we have more power with him that without him. Grimes brings nothing to the table but ideas that are already failing with this administration

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Could grimes be one of these demo sponsored "republicans"?
    nope, mentioning her name around here will get you wet with cold water or hot coffee

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I would love to see McConnell gone, but bottom line, we have more power with him that without him. Grimes brings nothing to the table but ideas that are already failing with this administration
    I really know nothing of Grimes. My interest is predicting who will win in Kentucky. prognostication of elections has been an hobby of mine for a very long time.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I really know nothing of Grimes. My interest is predicting who will win in Kentucky. prognostication of elections has been an hobby of mine for a very long time.
    You should get paid for it in Vegas

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Talk to your friend Perotisa. He introduced Clinton into the topic, and has been arguing it ever since.

    However. on topic. The SCOTUS has at least enough of a problem with the recess appointments Obama made to review the case. At a bare minimum that should tell you, and the other Obama supporters that he crossed the line.

    See, this was just a symptom of a larger problem, which is, Conservatives believe that given enough pressure from the right, Obama is brazen enough to just go around the Constitution all together. That has never been done before in such an outright, and dishonest manner by an administration. So, the question is, if he will break the law when it is inconvenient, and use the law when it suits his argument, that makes him a dangerous President.
    True, and there are very good reasons for conservatives to believe Obama wont think twice to cross the line.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    True, and there are very good reasons for conservatives to believe Obama wont think twice to cross the line.
    Personally I think this is a line that needed to be crossed. These kinds of positions are important to running our country, and appointing people to these positions are a presidential power. The GOP (and the Democrats before them, under Bush) has been blocking these appointments in a blanket manner. It's not about any objection to a specific candidate, they're doing this to hamstring Obama. They have a vested interest in him failing, and they'd rather hurt the country as long as he's in power.

    Furthermore, temporary appointments during recesses are an express presidential power, and Congress has taken to exploiting a loophole to try and block this ability. They made fake sessions. No actual business was conducted, it literally lasted five seconds just so they could claim to be in session. It's a blatant effort to circumvent an express constitutional power. It was unacceptable when Harry Reid did it, and it's unacceptable now.

    This country needs to settle the question about exactly how much leeway Congress should have to be obstructionist regarding these positions. Take the labor board position that kicked off a lot of this: this is an important position. If the appointment was unconstitutional, that means all these decisions made come under question. The result of that? Taxpayers funding the millions of dollars in legal fees that will likely result from challenges to the board's decisions, and an eventual appointment probably re-making all of the same decisions. For what, exactly?
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Personally I think this is a line that needed to be crossed. These kinds of positions are important to running our country, and appointing people to these positions are a presidential power.
    From the oral arguments:

    Scalia -- "If there is indeed this, you know, this terrible emergency you're talking about, the President has the power to call them back."

    Roberts -- "Well, they have an absolute right not to confirm nominees that the President submits."

    Breyer -- "I can't find anything that says the purpose of this clause has anything at all to do with political fights between Congress and the President."

    Ginsburg -- " One reason they could have put the language in is because they were afraid otherwise the president would have the power, simply, when somebody died two or three years before and they've had a big fight in Congress to save up all the controversial nominations and then put them through as recess appointments. That could be one thing they didn't want to happen."

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Personally I think this is a line that needed to be crossed. These kinds of positions are important to running our country, and appointing people to these positions are a presidential power. The GOP (and the Democrats before them, under Bush) has been blocking these appointments in a blanket manner. It's not about any objection to a specific candidate, they're doing this to hamstring Obama. They have a vested interest in him failing, and they'd rather hurt the country as long as he's in power.

    Furthermore, temporary appointments during recesses are an express presidential power, and Congress has taken to exploiting a loophole to try and block this ability. They made fake sessions. No actual business was conducted, it literally lasted five seconds just so they could claim to be in session. It's a blatant effort to circumvent an express constitutional power. It was unacceptable when Harry Reid did it, and it's unacceptable now.

    This country needs to settle the question about exactly how much leeway Congress should have to be obstructionist regarding these positions. Take the labor board position that kicked off a lot of this: this is an important position. If the appointment was unconstitutional, that means all these decisions made come under question. The result of that? Taxpayers funding the millions of dollars in legal fees that will likely result from challenges to the board's decisions, and an eventual appointment probably re-making all of the same decisions. For what, exactly?
    Where were you during the Bork hearings?

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yet another pointless non-sequitur from Scatt.
    I couldn't help but notice you chose to ignore the more substantive response. Obama didn't invent the recess appointment, true. What he invented was using the recess appointment process when Congress wasn't in recess.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I couldn't help but notice you chose to ignore the more substantive response. Obama didn't invent the recess appointment, true. What he invented was using the recess appointment process when Congress wasn't in recess.
    Are you also arguing that the GOP can prevent Congress from ever going into recess?
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