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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe you just aren't getting it....I don't care who Clinton bonked, or got a BJ from. Other than it being degenerate behavior it's his business, UNTIL he lies to a Federal Judge about it, and then it becomes the peoples business.

    Oh, and Clinton was indeed impeached.
    Yes he was, impeached and found not guilty. Exactly like being indicted by a grand jury and they being found not guilty in court.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm not sure why you think that the Congress should have to bow to the executive on this.
    Should Congress ever go in recess? Period.
    Recess appts. are temporary in the Constitution, Period.
    The GOP doesn't even want temporary appts, Period.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think you're right, what recess means and if pro forma sessions is really the senate in session. I was reminded earlier that the constitution does state each chamber makes their own rules and if the senate says pro forma sessions is a session of the senate, they are probably right. History is also not on the presidents side since no other president had ever attempted to make a recess appointment while the senate was in pro forma session. That could very well mean every other president recognized pro forma sessions as the senate being in session. It will be interesting to see what the SCOTUS decides. I make no predictions on the SCOTUS, I am always wrong.
    The huge influence of the SCOTUS on all our lives will be on full display in 2014.
    The SCOTUS is a huge "peripheral influence" on the Congressional races in 2014, according to Linc .
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Is Grimes the Dem or a Tea Party guy?
    Kentucky's - Democratic Sec. of State Alison Lundergan Grimes. McConnell's primary opponent is Matt Bevin a tea party conservative.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Clinton has nothing to do with the topic.
    See how that works?

    A person jumps in and interrupts a decent personal conversation with snarky thread police.
    Sound familiar ?
    Discussing Presidents and oversight by other branches. Seems at least in the ballpark of the topic. Gun control, there is a whole set of boards for that. You should grind your axes in the Partisan sections, I work hard to stay out of those.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The huge influence of the SCOTUS on all our lives will be on full display in 2014.
    The SCOTUS is a huge "peripheral influence" on the Congressional races in 2014, according to Linc .
    You are probably right. This is what I call unforeseen events or happenings that may effect the November elections.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Clinton is not the topic, but may I add that the GOP did not get enough blood out of Clinton to satisfy whatever happened to Nixon and Reagan.

    Every single day of the rest of this administration will be a legal and legislative fight with the GOP/POTUS.
    Today it is Recess, tomorrow, it will be extending the debt limit, everyday it will be ACA.
    Nothing good will happen until the GOP primaries are over .
    The reason that they fight is because conservatives want the Constitution followed, that is the supreme law of the land. Presidents like Obama spend their time trying to find ways around the Constitution, or blatantly defy it because they know it will be years before the courts catch up with them (Clinton's advice) or they can rely on a Supreme Court that does not follow the Constitution either.

    Obama would not have half the opposition that he has if he followed the Constitution. It sickens me the way he gets away with these violations.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That spin I think is how I became involved in this. Exactly how or what I originally replied to, heck I don't remember. Okay I went back and checked, last night my first reply was to the effect that since the nuclear option had been already used, whether or not or how the SCOTUS, their ruling is basically moot as long as the senate is controlled by the same party of the president. Now I have to figure out how all of this led to Clinton.

    Okay, real late last night I got on the womanizing of LBJ and JFK, but nothing yet on the impeachment of Clinton. Then it was back to the SCOTUS and recess appointments.

    Ah, I started off with you this fine beautiful AM. That was when you said: It's sad when people are OK with perjury. I hope no one ever lies under oath on a case your are involved with.

    Since then it has been Clinton all the time for the rest of today. I suppose my bottom line is the perjury charge didn't warrant impeachment. Then things went from there whereas I showed to the vast majority of Americans back then they agreed with me.

    Was Clinton wrong for lying to a grand jury, sure he was. But was that lying enough to impeach him and remove him from office? At the time I thought not and still do. Here is an article from that time that I agree with the author on

    Article | First Things
    It can happen. I understand your point even if we don't fully agree. We can disagree with the punishment but I just don't like having reality create agreement on the "crime".

    The net impact of Clinton's transgression was still ultimately a slap on the wrist whether he was censured or impeached and not convicted. Either are historic, but impeachment is a stronger footnote in his biography. It's not like he will ever need to practice law again.

    Obviously Obama is trying to push the limits and doesn't even come close to this. A President attempting something and then getting called on it is at least part of the job description.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Should Congress ever go in recess? Period.
    Recess appts. are temporary in the Constitution, Period.
    The GOP doesn't even want temporary appts, Period.
    I'm not sure if you are telling the truth or not, if you are using "period" the way Obama uses it, it means "what I just said was a lie."
    I think Congress must recess between sessions, so there's your answer on that. It's not the temporary appointments that they don't want, it's low quality of personnel that they don't want. But, that is Congress's part of the appointment process. He wouldn't have this problem if he appointed better qualified people.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    got topic?
    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Once more into the breach. If Clinton wanted to lie about anything and to whomever, I can't say I care that much, but he lied under oath. Our legal system is based on the the principle that when under oath, you tell the truth. Not just the truth, but also the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As a lawyer he knew better. As a President, there had to be some consequences. Please try to be factual and not what you are representing as the voice of the majority of Americans. That's just political spin and unworthy of you.
    What is the definition of RECESS?
    Is Congress allowed to stay out of RECESS forever?
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