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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, FDR which is one of a consensus great presidents also had his dilly dalliances with women, JFK and LBJ also that we know of. So presidents messing around with other women is nothing new. How many presidents have done this in the past is unknown as the media kept womanizing a secret even if they knew. But after LBJ, one can say Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush I were all loyal to their wives. IKE and Truman were also loyal husbands between FDR and JFK. But loyalty to one's wife does not make a president great or even a good president. Not that I am condoning womanizing. Other things come into play as to how a president is perceived. Clinton comes in or is ranked at number 22 by historians, the other womanizers, FDR 2nd, JFK is 11 and LBJ is 14.

    Those who rank below Clinton who came after LBJ are Nixon 32, Ford 26, Carter 27, Reagan 17, Bush I at 23, Bush II at 34. Only Reagan ranks ahead of Clinton. In-between FDR was Truman at 7 and Eisenhower at 8.

    I personally do not think Clinton disgraced the office. If the historians are right there are 21 Presidents better then him and 21 who were worse not counting the present president who isn't ranked yet.
    Maybe you just aren't getting it....I don't care who Clinton bonked, or got a BJ from. Other than it being degenerate behavior it's his business, UNTIL he lies to a Federal Judge about it, and then it becomes the peoples business.

    Oh, and Clinton was indeed impeached.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim[W:88]

    With the Senate voting 55-45, unemployment benefits were defeated by the Senater legislative filibuster.
    Clearly no good legislation can come out of the Senate until McConnell wins his Primary.
    Maybe Mr. Obama can put it on the credit card with an EO, as 43 predecessors have done .
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Even if the GOP takes the senate come November, it would do no good to expand the nuclear option to legislative matters. President Obama would just veto any repeal. So unless somehow the repeal could garner 2/3rds vote in both the house and senate, it would be just wasting time. If I was a Republican I would wait until I got a president in the white house before expanding it. But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Reid doesn't do that first especially if the Dems retain control of the senate. I expect that they will.

    I do have a gut feeling that Grimes will come out on top in Kentucky. I was checking into a PPP poll on Kentucky, McConnell has only a 31% approval rating and 61% disapproval. Even if he has more money than Grimes, that will be tough to over come.
    Is Grimes the Dem or a Tea Party guy?
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Speaking of the SCOTUS, I still think the whole ball of wax of what "being in recess" MEANS
    is a higher-level issue over legality of what the POTUS did.
    Also, Case History is not my memorized greatness, but I'm seeing a pattern of the Court to side with the Executive Branch.

    Hoever, when it comes to State's and Individual's Rights, this Court is worse than the Rehnquist court.

    Now for Sen. McConnell.
    He'll be arguing a case in front of the SCOTUS soon, over Citizens Divided 2.0, Individual's rights to be unlimited giving of money to whatever.
    A win would give him more stature and the case started in Alabama.
    Citizens 2.0 is another of Linc's "peripheral influences" on the congressional races, in many directions.
    I wonder if we were better of when it comes to election before all these so called campaign finance reforms which I think started in the late 60's. Prior to that there were no set limits and anyone could give all he wanted to any candidate or political party. But there were no pacs or super pacs, no advocacy groups running their ads outside of political campaigns with the campaigns having no control over or any responsibility for them. No money bundlers, and believe it or not, really no nasty attack ads as we see run today. The parties and candidates were personally responsible for any and all content of any political ad or commercial run.

    I think you're right, what recess means and if pro forma sessions is really the senate in session. I was reminded earlier that the constitution does state each chamber makes their own rules and if the senate says pro forma sessions is a session of the senate, they are probably right. History is also not on the presidents side since no other president had ever attempted to make a recess appointment while the senate was in pro forma session. That could very well mean every other president recognized pro forma sessions as the senate being in session. It will be interesting to see what the SCOTUS decides. I make no predictions on the SCOTUS, I am always wrong.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    This thread got GOP "fogged" when righties immediately brought in Nixon and then started the drumbeat of Benghazi, etc. derail.

    So, my Illinois can certainly compare with your New Jersey when you mention Corzine.
    We have a half dozen governors who have been indicted during and after their time in office, going back to the 1920's.
    Mr. Obama regularly gets blamed for being them.
    But you guys started the "Commission" in 1929 NJ and they support Christie today.
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    Christie is not a President.

    If you want to compare Christie to one of his peers, might as well use Jon Corzine.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Clinton has nothing to do with the topic.
    See how that works?

    A person jumps in and interrupts a decent personal conversation with snarky thread police.
    Sound familiar ?
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    I think it was a great civics lesson for the entire country that there are checks and balances and that behavior matters in public office. I would have been disappointed had the House not impeached Clinton and I would have also been disappointed had Clinton been removed from office. Some things should just be beyond politics
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Once more into the breach. If Clinton wanted to lie about anything and to whomever, I can't say I care that much, but he lied under oath. Our legal system is based on the the principle that when under oath, you tell the truth. Not just the truth, but also the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As a lawyer he knew better. As a President, there had to be some consequences. Please try to be factual and not what you are representing as the voice of the majority of Americans. That's just political spin and unworthy of you.
    That spin I think is how I became involved in this. Exactly how or what I originally replied to, heck I don't remember. Okay I went back and checked, last night my first reply was to the effect that since the nuclear option had been already used, whether or not or how the SCOTUS, their ruling is basically moot as long as the senate is controlled by the same party of the president. Now I have to figure out how all of this led to Clinton.

    Okay, real late last night I got on the womanizing of LBJ and JFK, but nothing yet on the impeachment of Clinton. Then it was back to the SCOTUS and recess appointments.

    Ah, I started off with you this fine beautiful AM. That was when you said: It's sad when people are OK with perjury. I hope no one ever lies under oath on a case your are involved with.

    Since then it has been Clinton all the time for the rest of today. I suppose my bottom line is the perjury charge didn't warrant impeachment. Then things went from there whereas I showed to the vast majority of Americans back then they agreed with me.

    Was Clinton wrong for lying to a grand jury, sure he was. But was that lying enough to impeach him and remove him from office? At the time I thought not and still do. Here is an article from that time that I agree with the author on

    Article | First Things
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Whether it's the House or Senate, the GOP refuses to allow Congress to go into recess, clearly an overreach with the Executive.
    This Roberts Court has shown a penchant for not allowing Congress to interfere with EOs, as we saw with Bush and his EOs.

    IMO, this "recess definition" issue dwarfs the constitiononality of the appointments,
    which is an EO in the larger context, and which are legal but only temporary when "done in recess".
    So "what is the definition of recess" will be answered.
    Then there're those who say this matter is moot, since Harry blew up the Senate.

    Therefore, the SCOTUS may put Harry and the Nuclear Option on the docket.
    I'll mention that I believe there is now a third "split-desicion" wing on the Court,
    with Sotomayor merging with Roberts and Kennedy, especially on legislative matters .
    I'm not sure why you think that the Congress should have to bow to the executive on this. The Constitution gives a role to both branches on the appointment process. Congress has no duty to give up their power than the president should give up his appointment power to them. Would you support Congress just making the appointments on their own? That would certainly get them done quickly also.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, and Clinton was indeed impeached.
    Clinton is not the topic, but may I add that the GOP did not get enough blood out of Clinton to satisfy whatever happened to Nixon and Reagan.

    Every single day of the rest of this administration will be a legal and legislative fight with the GOP/POTUS.
    Today it is Recess, tomorrow, it will be extending the debt limit, everyday it will be ACA.
    Nothing good will happen until the GOP primaries are over .
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