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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If you're gonna get ridiculous and compare Obama to Nixon, you may as well compare Christie to Nixon while you're at it.

    Just add these recess appts to the other faux scandals .


    Christie is not a President.

    If you want to compare Christie to one of his peers, might as well use Jon Corzine.

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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

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    With all respect to your polls on impeachment and other matters, I've never seen you trot out the same type of poll as far as any gun measure is concerned, such as the true conservative Toomey/Manchin, Manchin being your guy.Mr. Obama's EOs on anything guns will be added to the "I" list .
    Gun control? Wrong topic.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Speaking of the SCOTUS, I still think the whole ball of wax of what "being in recess" MEANS
    is a higher-level issue over legality of what the POTUS did.
    Also, Case History is not my memorized greatness, but I'm seeing a pattern of the Court to side with the Executive Branch.

    Hoever, when it comes to State's and Individual's Rights, this Court is worse than the Rehnquist court.

    Now for Sen. McConnell.
    He'll be arguing a case in front of the SCOTUS soon, over Citizens Divided 2.0, Individual's rights to be unlimited giving of money to whatever.
    A win would give him more stature and the case started in Alabama.
    Citizens 2.0 is another of Linc's "peripheral influences" on the congressional races, in many directions.
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    It was plain stupid on his part, it showed a total lack of common sense and he should have known better. As for gun control, I never got into that as hot and heavy as I did this. But stay tuned, the time will probably come.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You're opinion. I suppose the bottom line was he wasn't impeached, or at least found not guilty by the vote in the senate. I think if he had lied about something else that effected his job, perhaps the American public would have been more upset about. But then maybe not. Maybe the majority of Americans were showing sympathy towards him as they perceived the Ken Starr and the Republicans in congress as a witch hunt.

    Do you really believe that lying about a BJ is an impeachable offense? It very well maybe to you, but I think in order to remove a president he needs to have done something very bad, unspeakable so to speak. All I can do is show you that at the time 65% of all Americans thought he shouldn't be impeached. You are part of that 35% who did. So in the end it seems to boil down to political persuasion.
    Once more into the breach. If Clinton wanted to lie about anything and to whomever, I can't say I care that much, but he lied under oath. Our legal system is based on the the principle that when under oath, you tell the truth. Not just the truth, but also the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As a lawyer he knew better. As a President, there had to be some consequences. Please try to be factual and not what you are representing as the voice of the majority of Americans. That's just political spin and unworthy of you.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm not a Democrat. Nice try, though.
    My turn to roll the eyes.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My turn to roll the eyes.
    to be fair to Kobie, if I were a progressive liberal like him, I wouldn't admit it either.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Whether it's the House or Senate, the GOP refuses to allow Congress to go into recess, clearly an overreach with the Executive.
    This Roberts Court has shown a penchant for not allowing Congress to interfere with EOs, as we saw with Bush and his EOs.

    IMO, this "recess definition" issue dwarfs the constitiononality of the appointments,
    which is an EO in the larger context, and which are legal but only temporary when "done in recess".
    So "what is the definition of recess" will be answered.
    Then there're those who say this matter is moot, since Harry blew up the Senate.

    Therefore, the SCOTUS may put Harry and the Nuclear Option on the docket.
    I'll mention that I believe there is now a third "split-desicion" wing on the Court,
    with Sotomayor merging with Roberts and Kennedy, especially on legislative matters .
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    As far as I know, there is a recess every two years, when we move from one Congress to the next. Also, I believe that the Senate can recess whenever it wants, as much as it wants, but if the House is still in session, then Congress as a whole, is not in recess. So Blaming McConnell makes no sense, since it was the house that stayed in session, I believe, when Obama made the unconstitutional appointments.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, there you go again....You admitted to me that it was the perjury that got him impeached, not the BJ, but now in talking to someone else you are right back to blaming it on a BJ...This is why it is so frustrating, either you understand what a crime it is to lie to a Federal Judge, or you don't...You can't have it both ways. As far as Clinton is concerned it wasn't a common sense matter, more like a lack of moral, and ethical boundaries. Lewenski wasn't the first bimbo in his collection, and thank God he isn't President anymore, because I feel certain it wasn't the last. He is a reprobate. We as a nation need to get back to honorable people, with ethical, and moral compass to run this country. The damage that one President can do in perception, and standing in the world is too important to have some adolescent wanna be running around with a perpetual hard on disgracing the office.
    Perhaps, FDR which is one of a consensus great presidents also had his dilly dalliances with women, JFK and LBJ also that we know of. So presidents messing around with other women is nothing new. How many presidents have done this in the past is unknown as the media kept womanizing a secret even if they knew. But after LBJ, one can say Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush I were all loyal to their wives. IKE and Truman were also loyal husbands between FDR and JFK. But loyalty to one's wife does not make a president great or even a good president. Not that I am condoning womanizing. Other things come into play as to how a president is perceived. Clinton comes in or is ranked at number 22 by historians, the other womanizers, FDR 2nd, JFK is 11 and LBJ is 14.

    Those who rank below Clinton who came after LBJ are Nixon 32, Ford 26, Carter 27, Reagan 17, Bush I at 23, Bush II at 34. Only Reagan ranks ahead of Clinton. In-between FDR was Truman at 7 and Eisenhower at 8.

    I personally do not think Clinton disgraced the office. If the historians are right there are 21 Presidents better then him and 21 who were worse not counting the present president who isn't ranked yet.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Because two guys showed up for 30 seconds and gaveled it in and out between drinks?
    But that is the problem, isn't it. Congress is either in session or it is not. You first have to define what makes congress in session or not.

    The bigger problem here is the willful contempt of Congress by the person who called it to session by himself.
    No, that person has the "right", if you disagree then change the law. Like I said, first define "what makes congress in session or not."

    It seem the SC is going to define it for Obama and congress.
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    Re: Justices skeptical of Obama’s recess appointment claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    God, the left will rationalize anything. He was impeached, that is a fact. No maybe, or at least, impeached. Period (to use Oboma's favorite emphasis).
    By your rational, the Nixon attempted impeachment was a witch hunt, since he did not know about the break in, he just lied about it. And, in my opinion, far less of an offense than things that Obama has done.
    Nixon's was far more than not knowing about the break in and then once he knew lying about it. It was his attempt to use the CIA and FBI to cover it up. It was the cover up that got him. Nixon attempted to use government agencies for his own political purposes, not so with Clinton. The Democrats wanted Nixon out and they got their way. But Nixon dug his own hole. I can remember at the time I was on Nixon's side and had voted for him in 1972. The Democrats had been trying to get Nixon ever since Nixon got Alger Hiss.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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