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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    "You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians." --May 26, 2003 CNN

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    All of these statements dont change the fact that Sharon was democraticaly elected and had an opposition nore does it change that he never called for the extermination of a certain people on racist grounds..
    While I can point out that Hitler was democratically elected, itís true no explicit calls for genocide were made, but the extermination through wrongful expropriation of a people deemed inferior was indeed his words.

    The thread has been warned not to turn into an Israeli/Palestinian conflict discussion, so Iíll leave it that.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Ariel Sharon: Profile of an Unrepentant War Criminal
    Sharon had the same racist mentality as hitler, funny how you Jews whine about hitler yet emulate his actions and share his views when it pertains to racial/nationalist issues. Do me a favor and tell your buddies to stop whining about the holocaust, using your exact train of thought hitler was a hero to the state of Germany.
    A racist mentality, huh? If that were true, I'd imagine you would identify with him a lot more readily.

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    They kept him alive for quite a while. He has been brain dead for a long time. I wondered why they did that.
    He wasn't brain dead, he was in coma, more precisely the doctors defined it as "Low awareness" he did react to his environment in small gestures
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    He wasn't brain dead, he was in coma, more precisely the doctors defined it as "Low awareness" he did react to his environment in small gestures
    There you go ruining a perfectly good conspiracy theory.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
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    Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22:118]Only going to give one warning here. This thread is dedicated to the passing of Ariel Sharon. This is not the place to specifically discuss the Israel/Palestine situation. Israel and Palestine are in the Middle East and there is a specific forum for this discussion. Any attempt to turn this thread into a specific discussion relating to the Israel/Palestine conflict will incur penalties. If you wish to have those discussions, please start a thread in the ME Forum.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    While I can point out that Hitler was democratically elected, it’s true no explicit calls for genocide were made, but the extermination through wrongful expropriation of a people deemed inferior was indeed his words.

    The thread has been warned not to turn into an Israeli/Palestinian conflict discussion, so I’ll leave it that.

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    From what I see bubba, you are the one that started the food fight.
    i 'liked' that because it was a smart post
    german remarked that the butcher had been democratically elected
    TML responded that so had hitler, putting german's comment in check

    you refer to this as a 'food fight', whining because you would prefer to see saint ariel lauded, while others of us pointed to the black side of his life, the traits and actions you would prefer not be exposed publicly. there's an easy answer to avoid getting your panties in a twist - don't read my posts
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Sharon's invasion of Lebanon was done as part of a grand scheme to forever change the political landscape of the entire region. While the ultimate objective was not reached, the invasion did put an end to the majority of rocket attacks on Israel, so the invasion cannot be called a total failure. Sharon was not a man of peace, but at the time, Israel needed a warrior as Prime Minister.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i 'liked' that because it was a smart post
    german remarked that the butcher had been democratically elected
    TML responded that so had hitler, putting german's comment in check

    you refer to this as a 'food fight', whining because you would prefer to see saint ariel lauded, while others of us pointed to the black side of his life, the traits and actions you would prefer not be exposed publicly. there's an easy answer to avoid getting your panties in a twist - don't read my posts
    Your anti Israel side is showing disgustingly clear....You started the slurs, and I point that out....I notice you don't deny that.
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