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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Some intelligent people with an agenda will always see one, whether or not it exists.
    your fancy post of nonsense is total bs like all your posts.. please never talk with me..I have seen through you for years..
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    That's not quite what I was getting at.


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    Okay, but I'll do my damnedest to keep it civil if you will. ML restrictions do not preclude a discussion about Chomsky or the anti-Z=anti-s issue though. I certainly won't call you a Zionist and you refrain from calling me a fascist.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    For those who are interested, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote an op-ed concerning the late Prime Minister Sharon. In part, Secretary Kissinger wrote:

    Arik Sharon started as a warrior. He ended his career on the way to being a peacemaker. On that journey from fighting in every one of Israel’s wars to lying comatose for eight years in a Jerusalem hospital, he symbolized the anguish and dilemmas of Israel. A people who had come to their historic homeland had established themselves, surrounded by a culture that never acquiesced in ceding what it considered Islamic patrimony. Even before the proclamation of the Jewish state, Israel found itself in a state of war that has never ended. It has always lacked the essential prerequisite for peaceful coexistence with its neighbors: their recognition of its existence, which everywhere else is the precondition of diplomacy, not its outcome...

    As prime minister, Sharon unexpectedly broadened his definition of security. He sought to bridge the gap between physical and political security with the same courage and decisiveness that had brought him victory in battle. He volunteered the largest withdrawal in Israel’s history. He ended the Israeli occupation of Gaza and returned it to Arab self-rule as a unilateral act without reciprocity, abandoning even the Jewish settlements that had been established there. In a similar spirit, he withdrew troops from southern Lebanon. These gestures were conceived as a test case for a negotiation about the future of the West Bank, which Sharon once had viewed as a permanent Israeli outpost. The man who had identified security with the acquisition of territory became willing to cede territory for an outcome to fulfill the hopes for peace.


    The entire piece can be found at: Henry A. Kissinger: Ariel Sharon’s journey from soldier to statesman - The Washington Post

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For those who are interested, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wrote an op-ed concerning the late Prime Minister Sharon. In part, Secretary Kissinger wrote:

    Arik Sharon started as a warrior. He ended his career on the way to being a peacemaker. On that journey from fighting in every one of Israel’s wars to lying comatose for eight years in a Jerusalem hospital, he symbolized the anguish and dilemmas of Israel. A people who had come to their historic homeland had established themselves, surrounded by a culture that never acquiesced in ceding what it considered Islamic patrimony. Even before the proclamation of the Jewish state, Israel found itself in a state of war that has never ended. It has always lacked the essential prerequisite for peaceful coexistence with its neighbors: their recognition of its existence, which everywhere else is the precondition of diplomacy, not its outcome...

    As prime minister, Sharon unexpectedly broadened his definition of security. He sought to bridge the gap between physical and political security with the same courage and decisiveness that had brought him victory in battle. He volunteered the largest withdrawal in Israel’s history. He ended the Israeli occupation of Gaza and returned it to Arab self-rule as a unilateral act without reciprocity, abandoning even the Jewish settlements that had been established there. In a similar spirit, he withdrew troops from southern Lebanon. These gestures were conceived as a test case for a negotiation about the future of the West Bank, which Sharon once had viewed as a permanent Israeli outpost. The man who had identified security with the acquisition of territory became willing to cede territory for an outcome to fulfill the hopes for peace.


    The entire piece can be found at: Henry A. Kissinger: Ariel Sharon’s journey from soldier to statesman - The Washington Post
    great article Don.. thank you

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    its a sess pool of anti semiism.. always has been.. granted my stattement come off as absolute, and nothing is.. but is general Denmark is very anti semetic
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    umm yea.. dead jews and citizens of Israel is never a reason to fight back right?.. cry your tears of bull**** to the ignorant
    Okay, where the hell do I even state anything about the reasons behind the invasion or anything remotely close? All I stated, which is a fact.. that Sharon lied to the Isreali PM and Cabinet and extended the area of military action much further than originally agreed. On top of that it is a fact that the IDF assisted the Christian Phalanges fighter to commit the massacres of Sabra and Shatila.... this is too a fact since even the Kahan Commission stated so.
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    its a sess pool of anti semiism.. always has been.. granted my stattement come off as absolute, and nothing is.. but is general Denmark is very anti semetic
    wow... this not only factually wrong but highly insulting. Can you please show us anti-semetic behaviour in Denmark that is not linked to the usual right wing neo nazi idiots that are in all countries (and mostly funded by the US right.. but hey!)
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Okay, where the hell do I even state anything about the reasons behind the invasion or anything remotely close? All I stated, which is a fact.. that Sharon lied to the Isreali PM and Cabinet and extended the area of military action much further than originally agreed. On top of that it is a fact that the IDF assisted the Christian Phalanges fighter to commit the massacres of Sabra and Shatila.... this is too a fact since even the Kahan Commission stated so.
    Define "assisted". I dont recall any statement by the commitie that the IDF assisted the massacres
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    Re: Ariel Sharon dies.[W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You're asking these questions of Chomsky. Several of them were answered in that interview I posted. I'm sure he has answered all of them at various stages. How come you can't find any direct quotes to back up your assertions about him?
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