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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    This is the natural result of a corporately-influenced state that either doesn't enforce inspections, or deliberately takes funding from inspection organizations. Someone got paid off. This kind of crap happens all the time in developing countries... it shouldn't be happening in the United States.

    Expect more of this kind of thing as the government continues to be the marionette of industry.

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Thank god the EPA's budget got slashed 34% for 2014 otherwise situations like this may have gotten caught before it was a problem. Now we have more reality TV for the news cycle.
    When's the last time the EPA actually caught the problem before it was a problem? Where were they during the BP spill?
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

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    No - I won't speak for you, so perhaps you won't speak for me. I not once said that the people of West Virginia don't want responsible businesses exploiting their resources for the benefit of the state's citizens. I fully expect that the good people of West Virginia will do whatever is necessary to have those responsible for this disaster bring full restitution to the state and as well, if proven, pay for any criminal activity involved. It's as it should be.

    My comments were directed at those who seem to think that the only alternative to "water poisoned, or environment degraded" is to eliminate all business activity that may potentially lead to accidents harmful to the environment. The knee-jerk reaction to accidents like this is "blame the mines", "shut down the mines" when in fact the mines had nothing to do with this accident. It's similar to the knee-jerk reaction to an oil pipeline spill to shut down all oil transportation by pipeline when there are far more trains transporting oil now because of blind environmentalists who can't see the forest for the trees.
    If I understood your comment out of context, my apologies.
    I agree that there is always a balance that must be struck between human need, and the resulting environmental; and consequently human cost. But the idea of balance in this case is farcical. Accidents do happen, but when obvious potential hazards are overlooked they are invited to occur. I understand that there are those in the industry that take safety seriously, but they are undermined by a culture that minimizes the potential environmental dangers by taking what they consider calculated risks to increase profits. West Virginia law does not require routine inspection of chemical storage facilities, as other states do, because of anti-regulatory opposition in state government, supported by the coal, and chemical industries. Do you think chemical storage facilities should be inspected to meet safety standards, or is that just a knee-jerk reaction? I hope you see that as a no-brainer- senator Manchin doesn't seem to.
    Now as far as the mining industry not bearing responsibility; the coal mining industry, and the chemical industry are completely intertwined in West Virginia. In fact, the chemical that spilled was used for washing coal, and the current owner owns the Rosebud mining co. in PA. And to the extent that the industry, and politicians fight sensible regulations, like creating 100ft buffer zones for streams in the valleys so they're not buried under debris, they have to bare responsibility. Already 1,900 miles of head water streams have been covered, and the resulting contamination is inexcusable.

    The coal industry is already dying. It now only employs about 4% of West Virginians, and West Virginia ranks about 46th in state poverty, so the heavy price they are paying, and will continue to pay, long after coal companies leave, in environmental, and health issues (west Virginia ranks very high in the number of cancers) is hardly balanced by the economic advantages very few enjoy.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No - I won't speak for you, so perhaps you won't speak for me. I not once said that the people of West Virginia don't want responsible businesses exploiting their resources for the benefit of the state's citizens. I fully expect that the good people of West Virginia will do whatever is necessary to have those responsible for this disaster bring full restitution to the state and as well, if proven, pay for any criminal activity involved. It's as it should be.
    My comments were directed at those who seem to think that the only alternative to "water poisoned, or environment degraded" is to eliminate all business activity that may potentially lead to accidents harmful to the environment. The knee-jerk reaction to accidents like this is "blame the mines", "shut down the mines" when in fact the mines had nothing to do with this accident. It's similar to the knee-jerk reaction to an oil pipeline spill to shut down all oil transportation by pipeline when there are far more trains transporting oil now because of blind environmentalists who can't see the forest for the trees.

    The company responsible has gone bankrupt, the people of West Virginia do not have a company that they can go after to seek restitution from.

    That type of behavior is very common among industrial companies that can cause environmental damage. The mining industry has vast numbers of toxic sites that lay abandoned after the mine closed down, the company that did the mining is no longer operating as well, the profits flowed to other companies, the clean up of the site left to taxpayers
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    West Virginia seems to be to the USA what Albania is to Europe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    This is the natural result of a corporately-influenced state that either doesn't enforce inspections, or deliberately takes funding from inspection organizations. Someone got paid off. This kind of crap happens all the time in developing countries... it shouldn't be happening in the United States.

    Expect more of this kind of thing as the government continues to be the marionette of industry.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The company responsible has gone bankrupt, the people of West Virginia do not have a company that they can go after to seek restitution from.
    Except for Uncle Sam.

    That type of behavior is very common among industrial companies that can cause environmental damage. The mining industry has vast numbers of toxic sites that lay abandoned after the mine closed down, the company that did the mining is no longer operating as well, the profits flowed to other companies, the clean up of the site left to taxpayers
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    like TN, KY, WV to join them.They did get VA.

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Thank god the EPA's budget got slashed 34% for 2014 otherwise situations like this may have gotten caught before it was a problem. Now we have more reality TV for the news cycle.
    Maybe they should have a talk with Region 5 out of Chicago and get them to stop harassing everyone so hard in that region to free up budget for people in West Virginia

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When's the last time the EPA actually caught the problem before it was a problem? Where were they during the BP spill?
    A large number of EPA regulations exist to prevent a problem from forming in the first place, the inspections are designed to ensure the polices are being followed.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Except for Uncle Sam.


    Democrats have been missing an opportunity to convert the mining/Appalachian/moonshinin/ weed-growin states
    like TN, KY, WV to join them.They did get VA.

    I like DEMs like Bashear, and he will be huge this year with ACA .
    West Virginia and Eastern KY, coal country are not going back to being Democratic because of the Dems war on coal. The Dems are costing that region their livelihood. Forcing people to lose their jobs is not a good way to get them to vote for you. Virginia is becoming much more like Maryland than a deep south state. I still haven't found any polls on KY concerning the ACA. I suppose sooner or later there will be one. Ky isn't as red as most people think.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill cuts water to up to 300,000, state of emergency decl

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When's the last time the EPA actually caught the problem before it was a problem? Where were they during the BP spill?
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