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Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

AGENT J said:
I again ask if you believe your opinion to be true simply point out the opinions of mine that i called facts and prove them not to be true, We are waiting.

Fact:
these marriages are currently recognized by the FED :shrug:
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No, no one is waiting, folks here know your tactic and some go along with it when they agree with your opinon. There is nothing for the feds to recognise. They are not the issuers of those licenses and the IRS cannot recognise licenses that are on hold by the issuer. Nor can any federal agency. This is a matter of law.
 
wolfsgirl said:
No he didn't. He said that they do not have to recognize those marriages they allowed UNTIL the case is over.
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Yeah, it is legal for them to decide that, given the situation.
 
wolfsgirl said:
The STATE of Utah handed out those marriage licenses. Over 1000 of them in about a week.
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Yup, and now the state of Utah has put a hold on those licenses. They remain not in force unless and until Utah changes it's mind or they lose the court decision and the court orders them to bring those licenses in force.
 
clownboy said:
No, no one is waiting, folks here know your tactic and some go along with it when they agree with your opinon.
2.)There is nothing for the feds to recognise.
3.)They are not the issuers of those licenses
4.) and the IRS cannot recognise licenses that are on hold by the issuer.
5.) Nor can any federal agency. This is a matter of law.
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1.) if you say so but this just means you have no facts to support you
2.) factually wrong as proven in the OP, there is nothing you can post to change this fact.
3.) nobody made this claim, just another failed strawman
4.) see #2
5.) see #2
6.) yes it is and the law proves your opinion wrong
 
wolfsgirl said:
The STATE of Utah handed out those marriage licenses. Over 1000 of them in about a week.
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but they aren't handing out anymore of them now, are they?
 
AGENT J said:
they followed the law as explained and factually pointed out in the links :shrug:
no amount of your opinion will change this
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Like they follow Obama care, except when they need to ignore it? Or say bankruptcy unless it will hurt the unions? The list of when the law isn't really followed with this admin is quite long.
 
Hicup said:
Great, now if only we could get Obama and Holder to recognize our immigration laws and uphold them, we'd be in good shape. All political, and has nothing to do with the merits, BUT I suspect you have no clue what I'm talking about?


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Has Barack Obama deported more people than any other president in U.S. history? | PolitiFact

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.
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That was in 2012.... in 2013:

Just 364,700 illegal immigrants were removed in fiscal 2013, according to internal numbers from U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement that CIS released Wednesday — down 11 percent from the nearly 410,000 who were deported in 2012.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/30/deportations-plummet-2013-lowest-2007/#ixzz2q2pdWIBs
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So Obama is currently at 1.75 million immigrants deported with ~3 years left. So if this trend continues, Obama will officially have been the president to deport the most people - somewhere around the 2.5 million mark. This puts him ahead of any president and makes him by the far the president to most uphold immigration laws.
 
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Precisely which law allows the federal to honor a state license that has been put on hold by the issuing state?
 
AGENT J said:
so the answer is you dont have anything on topic, actual and factual to st, got it. I knew that but let us know when it changes. Thanks
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What is the topic you're posting about, and can you, yourself defend it?
 
clownboy said:
Deportation is only one part of immigration law.
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Sure it is. He seems to be fulfilling the most important part. Do you disagree? Or is there anything more important than deporting illegal immigrants?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
1.)What is the topic you're posting about
2.) and can you, yourself defend it?
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1.)see the OP, the topic is about the FED clearing up the confusion of what people wrongly thought
2.) theres nothing to "defend", its news about an announcement clearing up facts and law

If i make a post saying yellow is a color and heres the facts making that so, theres nothing to "defend" just like this, sorry this seems to bother you

now if a person thought yellow is not a color then THEY would have to build a case against the facts presented and defend it but thats not what is going on
 
AGENT J said:
1.)see the OP, the topic is about the FED clearing up the confusion of what people wrongly thought
2.) theres nothing to "defend", its news about an announcement clearing up facts and law

If i make a post saying yellow is a color and heres the facts making that so, theres nothing to "defend" just like this, sorry this seems to bother you

now if a person thought yellow is not a color then THEY would have to build a case against the facts presented and defend it but thats not what is going on
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IOW, no, you can't. Got it...
 
Hatuey said:
Sure it is. He seems to be fulfilling the most important part. Do you disagree? Or is there anything more important than deporting illegal immigrants?
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Not more important, AS important. Like making sure they can't get in in the first place, ensuring employers do not employ them and there are no services available to them. Immigration law also includes the very important element of allowing folks to immigrate legally, something we very much need.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
IOW, no, you can't. Got it...
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you are free to that opinion, bothers me none lol
theres nothign to defend, facts have been presented. Law is being followed.:shrug:
 
AGENT J said:
you are free to that opinion, bothers me none lol
theres nothign to defend, facts have been presented. Law is being followed.:shrug:
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What legal precedent is Holder following?
 
AGENT J said:
good lord lol, like i said thats already in the OP as a direct quote, start there
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I want you to explain your thoughts, or are you dependent on those of others?
 
clownboy said:
Like making sure they can't get in in the first place,
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Illegal Immigration Declining, Report Shows - CBS News

The number of undocumented immigrants living in the United States has declined significantly for the first time in two decades, according to a report from the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center. The population of undocumented immigrants fell by 8 percent to 11.1 million in March 2009, compared with a peak of 12 million in March 2007.
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The number of undocumented immigrants fell in three states between 2008 and 2009, Pew found: Florida, Nevada and Virginia. Additionally, the combined population of illegal immigrants in Arizona, Colorado and Utah also decreased from 2008 to 2009.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html?_r=0

American census figures analyzed by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center also show that the illegal Mexican population in the United States has shrunk and that fewer than 100,000 illegal border-crossers and visa-violators from Mexico settled in the United States in 2010, down from about 525,000 annually from 2000 to 2004. Although some advocates for more limited immigration argue that the Pew studies offer estimates that do not include short-term migrants, most experts agree that far fewer illegal immigrants have been arriving in recent years.
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Again, Obama has made bigger strides in this than any former president.

ensuring employers do not employ them and there are no services available to them.
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This is state law not federal.

Immigration law also includes the very important element of allowing folks to immigrate legally, something we very much need.
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So ... is Obama making it harder for people emigrate?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
1.)I want you to explain your thoughts
2.), or are you dependent on those of others?
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1.) already did in the OP
2.) see #1

what you really want is to debate something off topic, philosophy driven and or opinions on the issue.

I have no desire, i just posted a news story of the FED clearing up the facts and law for those confused who thought the marriages were magically nullified and meaningless. They were factually wrong.
For some reason this news seems to bother you but thats your issue not mine.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) already did in the OP
2.) see #1

what you really want is to debate something off topic, philosophy driven and or opinions on the issue.

I have no desire, i just posted a news story of the FED clearing up the facts and law for those confused who thought the marriages were magically nullified and meaningless. They were factually wrong.
For some reason this news seems to bother you but thats your issue not mine.
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IOW, you have no defense or interest for that matter...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
IOW, you have no defense or interest for that matter...
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once again theres nothing to defend and what "I" wanted to talk about is in the OP and what "I" wanted to prove wrong was in fact proved wrong, The marriages are not currently nullified and they are not currently meaningless. THis is the topic along with the facts and laws the fed cleared up for those misinformed.

if YOU would like to start a different topic feel free to do so or if you think the many links in the OP or what i proved wrong is not true simply bring any facts to the table to prove otherwise. Id love to read them.lol

but no i have no interest in some off topic debate about your opinions and philosophies that have nothing to do with the OP, is there a reason why i should care about what you want? especially when it has nothing to do with the op/topic?
 
AGENT J said:
once again theres nothing to defend and what "I" wanted to talk about is in the OP and what "I" wanted to prove wrong was in fact proved wrong, The marriages are not currently nullified and they are not currently meaningless. THis is the topic along with the facts and laws the fed cleared up for those misinformed.

if YOU would like to start a different topic feel free to do so or if you think the many links in the OP or what i proved wrong is not true simply bring any facts to the table to prove otherwise. Id love to read them.lol

but no i have no interest in some off topic debate about your opinions and philosophies that have nothing to do with the OP, is there a reason why i should care about what you want? especially when it has nothing to do with the op/topic?
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You have proven nothing. You have merely posted someone's else's OPINION...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
1.)You have proven nothing.
2.) You have merely posted someone's else's OPINION...
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1.) the facts in the OP disagree with your opinion and prove it wrong
2.) nope i posted what is factually taking place according to the law, FED and State

the marriages FACTUALLY arent null currently
the marriages FACTUALLY arent meaningless and do have legality currently

these facts have been proven by law, FED and State

if you disagree simply provide any facts you have that prove otherwise
 
AGENT J said:
1.) the facts in the OP disagree with your opinion and prove it wrong
2.) nope i posted what is factually taking place according to the law, FED and State

the marriages FACTUALLY arent null currently
the marriages FACTUALLY arent meaningless and do have legality currently

these facts have been proven by law, FED and State

if you disagree simply provide any facts you have that prove otherwise
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No, it's merely an opinion which you seem more than happy to repeat without being able to defend...
 
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