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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I said Ninth. Not Nineteenth. Learn to read.

    I find it funny how you want to use a document designed to protect human rights, in order to suppress human rights.
    You want anarchy....

    Our Bill of Rights AND Constitution draw that line. Too bad our constitution is no longer controlled by the congress but rather regulated by the courts.

    Also, the Ninth Amendment deals with indentured servitudes - not gays.

    The best part about the Ninth is that the Ninth only includes amendments 1-8....

    An Amendment cannot pertain directly to a future Amendment.

    There are procedures to deal with issues such as this as (usually) addendums or repeals.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    An Amendment cannot pertain directly to a future Amendment.
    Corwin Amendment.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Corwin Amendment.
    It doesn't exist...

    Has been on the back burner for since ever.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It doesn't exist...

    Has been on the back burner for since ever.
    It was simply not ratified by the number of states needed, mostly because the southern states had seceded.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Corwin Amendment.
    Also, I didn't mean a proposed amendment couldn't inspire a future amendment - it means it cannot contradict a previous amendment.

    Not that said amendments couldn't hold similarities to a present amendment just as long as there was legal precedence to amend the amendment or add and addendum.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    It was simply not ratified by the number of states needed, mostly because the southern states had seceded.
    It doesn't matter - there have been numerous amendments proposed and not passed by a full legislature.

    The Dixicrats did a lot of that.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Also, I didn't mean a proposed amendment couldn't inspire a future amendment - it means it cannot contradict a previous amendment.

    Not that said amendments couldn't hold similarities to a present amendment just as long as there was legal precedence to amend the amendment or add and addendum.
    A new amendment can of course repeal an old amendment, but you mean it cannot contradict an old amendment unless it is repealing the amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It doesn't matter - there have been numerous amendments proposed and not passed by a full legislature.

    The Dixicrats did a lot of that.
    Of course, but had it been ratified it would be an example of just what you mentioned.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You want anarchy....
    BWA HA HA! So your solution to "I don't like what the government is doing" is to destroy it? Yet you cannot look back and see that so many people's rights causes--civil rights, women's rights, laborers' rights, etc.--were achieved peacefully, despite the horrible things done to them?

    If you are a white, straight, cisgender, male, Christian, citizen of the USA, then odds are almost certain that you are not being singled out for oppression. Get over it.

    Our Bill of Rights AND Constitution draw that line. Too bad our constitution is no longer controlled by the congress but rather regulated by the courts.

    Also, the Ninth Amendment deals with indentured servitudes - not gays.

    The best part about the Ninth is that the Ninth only includes amendments 1-8....

    An Amendment cannot pertain directly to a future Amendment.


    There are procedures to deal with issues such as this as (usually) addendums or repeals.

    That is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. Please show me where in the Constitution it clearly says that the higher the Amendment number, the greater weight it holds. Have you really thought through the implications of this? "States' rights" > the right to reasonable search and seizure? The Fourteenth Amendment > the Second? By your insane reasoning, these are examples of what would logically follow.
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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    A new amendment can of course repeal an old amendment, but you mean it cannot contradict an old amendment unless it is repealing the amendment.
    No it cannot....

    An amendment needs to be repealed or "amended" or have addendum added....

    The Bill of Rights/Constitution cannot contradict itself.... Even in their own addendum.... Those objects are just to articulate an amendment.

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    Re: Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages[W:50]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    BWA HA HA! So your solution to "I don't like what the government is doing" is to destroy it? Yet you cannot look back and see that so many people's rights causes--civil rights, women's rights, laborers' rights, etc.--were achieved peacefully, despite the horrible things done to them?

    If you are a white, straight, cisgender, male, Christian, citizen of the USA, then odds are almost certain that you are not being singled out for oppression. Get over it.




    That is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. Please show me where in the Constitution it clearly says that the higher the Amendment number, the greater weight it holds. Have you really thought through the implications of this? "States' rights" > the right to reasonable search and seizure? The Fourteenth Amendment > the Second? By your insane reasoning, these are examples of what would logically follow.
    Yes, our federal government cannot circumvent the constitution - which it has been doing and been making a habit of doing in an attempt of progress (meaning YOU TOLERATING THEIR TYRANNY DOING SUCH)...

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