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U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

a351 said:
The administration doesn't author the jobs figures though. No administration does.
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From the day Obama was elected, a good chunk of conservative America decided that he'd be a complete failure in every possible way, and anything that contradicts that, in any way, must be false. They live in ****ing fantasy land. And I don't even LIKE Obama.
 
a351 said:
Erm.. LOL? Your claim that those who have become discouraged outnumber those who have found employment by a 3 to 1 margin is plainly wrong. You also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly what these figures represent.
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What exactly do these figures represent?
 
eohrnberger said:
Ahh, wouldn't it be nice if the number of discouraged workers were actually zero? *sigh* That's be very nice. Totally unrealistic, but it'd still be nice.
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If the discouraged workers suddenly started to look for work, the unemployment rate would be at a least up to 11%.
 
polgara said:
Businesses usually hire additional seasonal employees in December for the holidays. That 47,000 new hire number seems very low to me for a national count. It will be interesting to see the January figure.

Greetings, Bubba. :2wave:
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"Seasonally Adjusted".

The original data is gathered by use of a survey like who will you vote for. Then through a complex formula, the seasonal variations are smoothed out. Christmas hiring should not have any impact on this.

By the time the numbers come out the other end of the little process, they no longer bear any resemblance to reality.

That's why the population can be up by about 13.5 million, the employed can be down by about 3/4 of a million and the unemployment rate stays just about the same.

The numbers are meaningless after the various adjustments have taken place.
 
justabubba said:
please tell us why it is smarter to work part time and realize less money
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It's not on a personal level.

That is why the unemployed continue to accept unemployment rather than lower themselves to take a job that is beneath them.

When the table is full, there are many problems. When the table is empty, there is one problem.
 
KevinKohler said:
WTH. In CT, auto techs make 10-12 an hour, and then there is usually one senior on staff that MIGHT make over 20 an hour...after having been there for years.

It's a crap field around here, I know, because I looked into it. I'm pretty handy with cars. Sounds pretty good where you're at. Maybe it's due to competition? Up here, it's mostly chains, or dealerships. Think meineki, or the like. Not a lot of mom and pops. Used to be a lot, but most have gone under. Machining is where the monies at in auto work, around here.
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It comes down to how good you are. I'm an A.S.E. L1 Master with 26 years experience, which makes my opportunities few and far between in the open market. Not too many employers looking for someone at this level. But I know transmission specialists who make this kind of money too. At this point in my career I'd prefer to diagnose and run the business and let someone else swing the hammers. I learned most of what I know working in a small family shop in Warrenville Illinois for 7 years. That kind of training is hard to find these days. I have a good friend who is a machinist, he has an apprentice too. We really need to go back to this kind of education.
 
justabubba said:
then why are you griping about people choosing the smart option
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What allows the option is the extended unemployment benefit eligibility term.

We are in the 5th year of the recovery.

How long will this emergency response be required?
 
Kobie said:
From the day Obama was elected, a good chunk of conservative America decided that he'd be a complete failure in every possible way, and anything that contradicts that, in any way, must be false. They live in ****ing fantasy land. And I don't even LIKE Obama.
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Having a conversation with a friend the other night and they were bitching about Obama. I said " who ever doesn't complain about the President" as if the President is not just a soundig board for own trials and tribulations.
 
Kobie said:
We're not hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs like we were at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009?
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Or like 1929.

What's your point?
 
justabubba said:
please explain how Obamacare causes prospective employees to avoid part time employment which part time employment nets them less income


again, share with us how the government manufactured this scenario where it is smarter to avoid part time employment in order to realize greater income
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In the very near future, there are going to be two groups described as the 49'ers and the 29'ers.

The 49'ers will be the company owners who will not hire that employee to put them over 50.

The 29'ers will be the employees who cannot have a work week greater than 29 hours.

These groups will not come into being until the Employer Mandates are enforced.
 
Kobie said:
That the job situation is better than it was five years ago. Which was the question I was asked.
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Okay.

Really though, any post war time you care to site was a better economy than 5 years ago.
 
tech30528 said:
It comes down to how good you are. I'm an A.S.E. L1 Master with 26 years experience, which makes my opportunities few and far between in the open market. Not too many employers looking for someone at this level. But I know transmission specialists who make this kind of money too. At this point in my career I'd prefer to diagnose and run the business and let someone else swing the hammers. I learned most of what I know working in a small family shop in Warrenville Illinois for 7 years. That kind of training is hard to find these days. I have a good friend who is a machinist, he has an apprentice too. We really need to go back to this kind of education.
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My bother in law was a Boilermaker until he retired a couple years ago. Sadly his welds were straighter then than his short irons are now. Examples of his work around his house are almost like artwork.

To your point, though, he defined for me the difference between trade union and labor union. The Boilermakers actually train and maintain a pool of expert tradesmen who are assigned to jobs that require very specialized and expert talent and additionally guarantee the quality of the work and supervise and certify the people in the union.

It's a great system that provides an available and valuable workforce when needed.
 
code1211 said:
Okay.

Really though, any post war time you care to site was a better economy than 5 years ago.
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So it is your contention that the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan HELPED our economy?
 
code1211 said:
What allows the option is the extended unemployment benefit eligibility term.

We are in the 5th year of the recovery.

How long will this emergency response be required?
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as long as people are looking for jobs that are unavailable
 
code1211 said:
In the very near future, there are going to be two groups described as the 49'ers and the 29'ers.

The 49'ers will be the company owners who will not hire that employee to put them over 50.

The 29'ers will be the employees who cannot have a work week greater than 29 hours.

These groups will not come into being until the Employer Mandates are enforced.
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go back and read the questions posed. you did not answer them. you posted about something else altogether
 
code1211 said:
My bother in law was a Boilermaker until he retired a couple years ago. Sadly his welds were straighter then than his short irons are now. Examples of his work around his house are almost like artwork.

To your point, though, he defined for me the difference between trade union and labor union. The Boilermakers actually train and maintain a pool of expert tradesmen who are assigned to jobs that require very specialized and expert talent and additionally guarantee the quality of the work and supervise and certify the people in the union.

It's a great system that provides an available and valuable workforce when needed.
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We have an excellent welding program at our local high school. An old master who landed a couple of patents and really doesn't need the money teaches it. Not a bad skill to learn, it can be a good career or backup.
 
winston53660 said:
Having a conversation with a friend the other night and they were bitching about Obama. I said " who ever doesn't complain about the President" as if the President is not just a soundig board for own trials and tribulations.
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You voted for Obama, didn't you?
 
KevinKohler said:
Bosses. The higher you go, the more of them you have, until you get to rair air.

And they're not asses. They are protecting their company. We can't afford 60 full timers. Fact is, it seems to me that the affordable care act was let about medical care, and more about a federal full time hour mandate.
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I'm betting your bosses will find hiring a bunch of part-timers and trying to train them - and dealing with the turnover that comes with part-timers - will cost them a lot more than complying with the ACA would have done.

yeah, your bosses are jerks.
 
Helix said:
you guys know the drill. the economy is (awesome!) (horrible!), and it is the (accomplishment) (failure) of (___________.)
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November and December traditionally are months when many seasonal Jobs are added, a large percentage in the Retail Industry- the figures being quoted should be seasonally adjusted if possible to portray an accurate picture.
 
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TheNextEra said:
That's your problem then, but even the right as a whole doesn't dispute the BLS numbers. If you choose to ignore reality, that's on you not me.
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Reality is Obama lies, HHS lies, IRS lies, DOJ lies, etc etc.
 
KevinKohler said:
How many of you have looked for a job in the last 6-8 years or so?

Some of you seem out of touch.

Everything is online. And 98% of the postings you see online (monster, career builder, job fox, Craig's list, etc) are no longer active...they've been filled, or the job no longer exists. Of the remaining 2%, half are scams. 1 out of over 1,000 listings or so is an actual, boba fife job. And if the posting is over 2 days old...you're too late.
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According to the BLS, there are generally 4 million job openings. Facts are facts, not anecdotes. And thats before you consider people creating their own jobs.
 
Anytime a number is given, then later adjusted up or down, it is prime indicator that the numbers are being manipulated.
 
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