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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    go back and read the questions posed. you did not answer them. you posted about something else altogether


    I'm sorry. I didn't realize that what I write is subject to prior restraint.

    Okay, here you go:

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    "please explain how Obamacare causes prospective employees to avoid part time employment which part time employment nets them less income


    again, share with us how the government manufactured this scenario where it is smarter to avoid part time employment in order to realize greater income"


    I don't think that Obamacare has any impact at all on whether or not the unemployed seek work.

    If there is an option to taking a job that pays little or sitting around and netting the same amount, the individual with that kind of thinking will sit around. If there is no option, the individual will take the low paying job.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    We have an excellent welding program at our local high school. An old master who landed a couple of patents and really doesn't need the money teaches it. Not a bad skill to learn, it can be a good career or backup.


    Before I was shown the difference and watched the task completed, I didn't know a good weld from a bad one. i didn't even know there was a difference. Now I know there is a difference and I appreciate the fact that there are those who take pride in doing the job right and are cable of doing the job in the worst conditions imaginable.

    While we are really high functioning hive members, our world collapses when there are not talented and conscientious experts doing their every day jobs.

    Our infrastructure is exposed when things go wrong. Like a snowstorm. It leaves me in awe of the interrelationships that keep us going that we seldom notice.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Yet we are hemorrhaging people looking for work because there isn't any work to be found.
    Few important facts. The total number of those working for work, and those in the labor force in general has not declined, but rather increased since the recession began. The proportion in relation to the general population has however. Also, the number of those out of the labor force who actually want a job comprises the extreme minority and the number of those sitting on the sidelines due to poor job prospects has declined in the past year. You're yet again speaking authoritatively on subjects you have no little understanding of.

    http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea38.pdf

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    There is no specific number of positions required to maintain positive economic growth. That is yet another commonly tossed about falsehood.
    The NYT identified 90K per month to keep pace with population (that was in 2011). It's false because you don't like facts or because you hate math?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    While one should not be focused on only one metric as a measure of economic health, the fact that it has decreased in a manner not to your liking does not make it a lie, merely politically inconvenient.
    You believe 2+2=3.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    You've gone astray yet again. The U6 includes 10 million individuals who are employed. It's not a measure of unemployment at all, but rather a measure of labor utilization.
    I've posted what U6 is, according to the US Bureau of Statistics. If you don't like their definition, write your congressman.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The NYT identified 90K per month to keep pace with population (that was in 2011). It's false because you don't like facts or because you hate math?
    The article actually mentions 150k to keep pace with population. That remains an estimate, and not a static benchmark. The actual number would depend on variables that fluctuate on a month by month basis. The Atlanta FED has a tool with which to determine the jobs needed to keep up with whatever figures and changes you choose to project, but that's as close as you'll get to an "official" figure. With that being said, that does not speak to your claim of maintaining economic stability, nor does it help explain your number of 300k.

    You believe 2+2=3.
    When all fails, make stuff up

    I've posted what U6 is, according to the US Bureau of Statistics. If you don't like their definition, write your congressman.
    I've no problem with the definition. But those who know the definition realize that it is not in fact a measure of unemployment. Measures of unemployment do not include millions who are employed, by definition.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Before I was shown the difference and watched the task completed, I didn't know a good weld from a bad one. i didn't even know there was a difference. Now I know there is a difference and I appreciate the fact that there are those who take pride in doing the job right and are cable of doing the job in the worst conditions imaginable.

    While we are really high functioning hive members, our world collapses when there are not talented and conscientious experts doing their every day jobs.

    Our infrastructure is exposed when things go wrong. Like a snowstorm. It leaves me in awe of the interrelationships that keep us going that we seldom notice.
    Very cool. Huge respect for journeyman welders. I do my fair share, but in a much less stressful and quality-intensive environment than those who do so for a living.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Very cool. Huge respect for journeyman welders. I do my fair share, but in a much less stressful and quality-intensive environment than those who do so for a living.


    I am barely capable of doing the odd jobs around the house. Laying down a line of caulk is on the horizon of my abilities and I seem to use about 10 times the needed amount by weight and spend a bunch of time cleaning up. I saw a guy who knew how to do it once and it was a jaw dropping realization how really free of skill I am.

    When I see the work of skilled workers, it inspires awe in me every time. It's really beautiful.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I am barely capable of doing the odd jobs around the house. Laying down a line of caulk is on the horizon of my abilities and I seem to use about 10 times the needed amount by weight and spend a bunch of time cleaning up. I saw a guy who knew how to do it once and it was a jaw dropping realization how really free of skill I am.

    When I see the work of skilled workers, it inspires awe in me every time. It's really beautiful.
    Seam sealing is certainly an art form in and of itself. Try masking off the area around the seam with tape beforehand. Often saves you time neatening up the edges and cleaning off the excess. Guess we should stay on topic though. I think this is about as far away from it as possible

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The article actually mentions 150k to keep pace with population. That remains an estimate, and not a static benchmark. The actual number would depend on variables that fluctuate on a month by month basis. The Atlanta FED has a tool with which to determine the jobs needed to keep up with whatever figures and changes you choose to project, but that's as close as you'll get to an "official" figure. With that being said, that does not speak to your claim of maintaining economic stability, nor does it help explain your number of 300k.
    According to you all numbers are falshoods. Why is that?

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    When all fails, make stuff up
    A very good admission. Kudos.

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    I've no problem with the definition.
    That's contrary to your vehement refusal in your prior post.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    But those who know the definition realize that it is not in fact a measure of unemployment. Measures of unemployment do not include millions who are employed, by definition.
    Wow. Unemployment doesn't include those who are employed. Truly a dizzying point there. Next thing you'll tell me is that the number of dead do not include the living... mind blowing!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    According to you all numbers are falshoods. Why is that?
    Some numbers are correct. Some aren't. Guess which category you've been specializing in?

    That's contrary to your vehement refusal in your prior post.
    Reading comprehension anyone? The BLS lists the U-6 as I have stated, as a measure of underutilization, not as a unemployment rate, as you have claimed. The problem lies in your wording and misinterpretation not on the end of the Bureau.

    Wow. Unemployment doesn't include those who are employed. Truly a dizzying point there. Next thing you'll tell me is that the number of dead do not include the living... mind blowing!
    Stating the obvious is only necessary when others ignore it. By listing the U-6 as a measure of unemployment you do exactly that

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