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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Do they lie? Yes. Is EVERYTHING a lie? No.

    Again, nobody of sanity even on the right disputes the BLS numbers which show BOTH figures of unemployment, the U3 and U6.

    Yes, politicians lie (all of them), the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about. The numbers as a whole are not disputed even by the majority of the right. Yes, there will be a conspiracy theorist that thinks EVERYTHING is a lie.
    Like I said I don't trust anything coming from our government, especially this government headed by Obama.

    In bold, you want me to believe them in government. You contradict yourself, you say "Do they lie? Yes" then below in bold you say "Yes, politicians lie (all of them). Then you say "the trick is to know WHAT they are lying about." How about everything.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    It comes down to how good you are. I'm an A.S.E. L1 Master with 26 years experience, which makes my opportunities few and far between in the open market. Not too many employers looking for someone at this level. But I know transmission specialists who make this kind of money too. At this point in my career I'd prefer to diagnose and run the business and let someone else swing the hammers. I learned most of what I know working in a small family shop in Warrenville Illinois for 7 years. That kind of training is hard to find these days. I have a good friend who is a machinist, he has an apprentice too. We really need to go back to this kind of education.
    Damn straight.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I'm betting your bosses will find hiring a bunch of part-timers and trying to train them - and dealing with the turnover that comes with part-timers - will cost them a lot more than complying with the ACA would have done.

    yeah, your bosses are jerks.
    Nah. They're just doing what they're told to do, just like me. Nuremberg defense, lol. We're just following orders!

    IMO, reducing the amount of hours per week, and increasing the pay for those hours (which will initially eat into profit margins) is our only real way back to full or close to full employment, and a healthy middle class.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    According to the BLS, there are generally 4 million job openings. Facts are facts, not anecdotes. And thats before you consider people creating their own jobs.
    Go online and see for yourself.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So it is your contention that the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan HELPED our economy?
    Large parts of it, yes. Soldiers DO get paid, but more than that, the union workers that manufacture all the tools that our soldiers use tend to get more hours when we need more of those things.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And in Detroit, the effective unemployment rate is near 30 percent, even higher than that in certain demographics.

    People are dropping out of the "actively searching" workforce in droves.
    And the Dakotas are in the 2's and 3's. Relevance to your claim? Zero of course. The real unemployment rate is nowhere in the neighborhood of 20 percent, as previously stressed.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I personally am in awe of how the math changed on the unemployment
    It hasn't though. You'll find many who will claim so though.

    such that, we fall far short of the 300,000+ jobs we need in December to keep our economy running
    There is no specific number of positions required to maintain positive economic growth. That is yet another commonly tossed about falsehood.

    and yet the official unemployment rate drops from 7% to 6.7%. While that number is deceptive in that, so many have stopped looking for work, the math continues to play to uninformed voters who are not aware of the U3, U4, U5 and U6 break out and think that 6.7% is better... when in actuality it's playing hide the pickle with the statistics.... ie., a lie.
    While one should not be focused on only one metric as a measure of economic health, the fact that it has decreased in a manner not to your liking does not make it a lie, merely politically inconvenient.

    The U6 is the broadest view of unemployment and shows everything. The U6 for December was 13.1%.
    You've gone astray yet again. The U6 includes 10 million individuals who are employed. It's not a measure of unemployment at all, but rather a measure of labor utilization.

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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So it is your contention that the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan HELPED our economy?


    My reference to post war was WW2.

    Does that change how you infer my meaning?
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thank God, we can blame Obama for this and not Mitt Romney.


    If Obama's first term taught us anything, it taught us that the problems of any presidential term are entirely the fault of the guy who held the office in the previous presidential term.

    By those rules, we are forced to blame Obama just as Obama was forced to blame Bush.
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    Re: U.S. economy adds just 74,000 jobs in December

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as long as people are looking for jobs that are unavailable


    Riiighhht….
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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