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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually the invasion of Iraq probably did the most to spread Al Qaeda into Iraq.

    Syria is in a civil war...what exactly should the President be doing? Supporting a dictator? Support a rebellion that has known jihadist?
    Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The most ****ed up part is that these liberals think saying our nation is too powerful and leading from behind is a sign of strength! The world understands strength and leadership, not liberal feel good BS, it never has.

    Although I dont want to be the worlds police force (we have been shouldering that way too long), when it comes to terrorism its been demonstrated over and over that the fight will come to us regardless of how we feel about it. Appeasement wont work. I actually think the drone war, is a good thing, its low visibility (except for the occasional smoking car wreckage) and effective if used correctly.
    What are you talking about. The Bush administration ignored a tremendous amount of warning before 9/11. That was because of the agenda outlined in PNAC that you boys like to ignore. Bush longed for the war before he was president and predicted that should he secure the presidency and was presented with opportunity to go to war with Iraq, he wouldn't fail to do what his dad did, he would go all the way to Baghdad and take out Saddam Hussein. That, he said while he was yet governor of Texas. If you deny that he said that, then you are a liar. The war on terror as a whole is a farce and CANNOT ever be won. It only serves the purpose of keeping us perpetually at war with Islamists and feeds the MIC.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, your bigotry noted.
    You demonstrate your lack of comprehension again. Bigotry would imply I hate them for something other than their actions. From AQ's OWN POLICY STATEMENTS-they want a one world islamist govt, with those who dont comply being killed. Welcome to earth buddy.


    It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army[20] and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad and a strict interpretation of sharia law. It has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council, NATO, the European Union, the United Kingdom, the United States, India and various other countries (see below). Al-Qaeda has carried out many attacks on non-Sunni Muslims,[21] non-Muslims,[22][23] and other targets it considers kafir.[24]

    Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, including the September 11 attacks, 1998 U.S. embassy bombings and the 2002 Bali bombings. The U.S. government responded to the September 11 attacks by launching the War on Terror. With the loss of key leaders, culminating in the death of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda's operations have devolved from actions that were controlled from the top-down, to actions by franchise associated groups, to actions of lone wolf operators. Characteristic techniques employed by al-Qaeda include suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.[25]
    Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You demonstrate your lack of comprehension again. Bigotry would imply I hate them for something other than their actions. From AQ's OWN POLICY STATEMENTS-they want a one world islamist govt, with those who dont comply being killed. Welcome to earth buddy.
    Not all Islamists are AQ. And I fear, neither of them.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, while you won't find me defending THIS presidents administration of foreign policy. It is a long term policy of destabilisation and take a look, it's working quite well.
    Until recently, US policy was stabilizing in Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qutar, etc. You can't cherry pick.
    We destabilize when its in our own best interest-but we have a very limited capacity in that regard, short of full scale military intervention.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not all Islamists are AQ. And I fear, neither of them.
    Concentrate. Where did I say ALL ISLAMISTS ARE AQ?

    The red herrings and names aren't strengthening your case.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    In 2012 the leadership of the Taliban declared that they would no longer support Al Quaida.

    Their leadership has been decimated and to carry that brand name means almoust certain death by a drone.

    The problem is that Al Quaida found new homes in other regions such as Somalia, Algeria, Mali, Syria and Iraq.

    Developments for which you can mostly not blame the current or even last US president.

    Somalia has been in a state of Anarchy since the late 1980s, Algeria went through a civil war with islmaists in the 1990s and the defeated islamists built their base in the Southern desert as a terror network, Mali had an incompetent government that was not capable of facing off the Northern islamists, Syria is a steaming pile of ****, and in Iraq the shia government discriminated the suni population that bady that alot of them went off to join Al Quaida.


    Weird how you Americans sometimes even blame yourselves for things that you had no involvement in.

    Most of the world is ran by morons so it is no suprise when bad things happen.
    No, actually what it is is the Far Right blaming Obama for things he had no control over. But then, since they blame Obama for everything that they perceive wrong in the world, this isn't difficult for them to do.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.
    Yeah, far better if we had a couple of hundred thousand troops in Iraq and another 100,000 in Afghanistan. You ready to volunteer?
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Funny. Last I recall, Bush left a reasonably viable anti-terrorism strategy and progress in place when he left office.

    I guess this is a result when a community organizer has delusions of grandeur and is elected to the White House.
    Its almost criminal incompetence with this president and its state department.

    We and the world are experiencing the consequences of amateur hour in the white house.

    BTW-Obama's approval rate is now lower than Bush after Katrina.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its almost criminal incompetence with this president and its state department.

    We and the world are experiencing the consequences of amateur hour in the white house.
    Agreed. I just hope that:

    1. They don't end up flying / crashing planes again over here (or other acts over here)
    2. We don't have to go over there and do it all over again (although this second time, I'm thinking it'll be far more drones than troops on the ground)

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    BTW-Obama's approval rate is now lower than Bush after Katrina.
    Quite appropriate, from my view.

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