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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Which would describe "leading from behind", running away. or ignoring the problem? That will be the Obama foreign policy legacy. I can remember Clinton saying that America had too much power in the world. Obama certainly believes that. The probably with being the foremost superpower that America once was, is that when there is no global peace keeper every nation is empowered to flex their muscle.

    Having said that, here's my problem. I don't believe that we should be the worlds peace keeper. I don't think we should spend money on regional disputes. What I believe we should do is save the money and build the strongest military imaginable and use it to negotiate peace, not fight for it.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Which would describe "leading from behind", running away. or ignoring the problem? That will be the Obama foreign policy legacy. I can remember Clinton saying that America had too much power in the world. Obama certainly believes that. The probably with being the foremost superpower that America once was, is that when there is no global peace keeper every nation is empowered to flex their muscle.

    Having said that, here's my problem. I don't believe that we should be the worlds peace keeper. I don't think we should spend money on regional disputes. What I believe we should do is save the money and build the strongest military imaginable and use it to negotiate peace, not fight for it.
    If you assemble the strongest military imaginable and try to negotiate peace and it fails then what? If everyone knows that big military is just for show then that military doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If you assemble the strongest military imaginable and try to negotiate peace and it fails then what? If everyone knows that big military is just for show then that military doesn't matter.
    I have an issue with the use of our military. I think that if you fight a war, you should fight to win it. There should be no rules of engagement which restrict the use of force in situations where troops on the ground could be killed. That doesn't mean that I believe we should intentionally harm civilians.

    I also believe that the use of our military should be proportional. In Afghanistan we should have used the full force of our military to obliterate Alqueda training camps and then we should have left. I don't know why that war morphed into a fight against the Taliban, even though the Taliban suck. I believe that Iraq didn't pose an immediate threat to American interests and invading them was a mistake.

    Having said that, when war is necessary, we have the technological and physical ability to make short work of it if we unleash the full power of our military on an aggressor nation. A smart display of that ability gives us a strong bargaining position and I think that many of the worlds squabbles could be handled by negotiation and threat of force.

    As it stands now, we are viewed as a paper tiger. All talk and no action. Russia saved us from making a mistake is Syria because the world knows that Russia doesn't play. We are no longer viewed as that resolute by the world community and we have given up our strength for a weak foreign policy that confuses our allies and makes our foes not take us seriously. That's the consequence of leading from behind.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I have an issue with the use of our military. I think that if you fight a war, you should fight to win it. There should be no rules of engagement which restrict the use of force in situations where troops on the ground could be killed. That doesn't mean that I believe we should intentionally harm civilians.

    I also believe that the use of our military should be proportional. In Afghanistan we should have used the full force of our military to obliterate Alqueda training camps and then we should have left. I don't know why that war morphed into a fight against the Taliban, even though the Taliban suck. I believe that Iraq didn't pose an immediate threat to American interests and invading them was a mistake.

    Having said that, when war is necessary, we have the technological and physical ability to make short work of it if we unleash the full power of our military on an aggressor nation. A smart display of that ability gives us a strong bargaining position and I think that many of the worlds squabbles could be handled by negotiation and threat of force.

    As it stands now, we are viewed as a paper tiger. All talk and no action. Russia saved us from making a mistake is Syria because the world knows that Russia doesn't play. We are no longer viewed as that resolute by the world community and we have given up our strength for a weak foreign policy that confuses our allies and makes our foes not take us seriously. That's the consequence of leading from behind.
    well said.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That would be nice.
    You think these Islamists would be content with their own state? They are a cancer that wont stop until they are exposed to large amounts of kinetic energy.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All presidents take credit when things go the way they like and shelter themselves from responsibility when they don't. Obama will leave office but US foreign policy will continue to be a destabilising force in the ME, regardless of who is president.
    US policy can and has also been a stabilizing force. Its the weakness of our current POTUS-the unpredictable and illogical chump who loves his enemies and hates his allies-that is the destabilizing influence. Chine and Russia know it. The ME knows it. Europe knows it.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Which would describe "leading from behind", running away. or ignoring the problem? That will be the Obama foreign policy legacy. I can remember Clinton saying that America had too much power in the world. Obama certainly believes that. The probably with being the foremost superpower that America once was, is that when there is no global peace keeper every nation is empowered to flex their muscle.

    Having said that, here's my problem. I don't believe that we should be the worlds peace keeper. I don't think we should spend money on regional disputes. What I believe we should do is save the money and build the strongest military imaginable and use it to negotiate peace, not fight for it.
    The most ****ed up part is that these liberals think saying our nation is too powerful and leading from behind is a sign of strength! The world understands strength and leadership, not liberal feel good BS, it never has.

    Although I dont want to be the worlds police force (we have been shouldering that way too long), when it comes to terrorism its been demonstrated over and over that the fight will come to us regardless of how we feel about it. Appeasement wont work. I actually think the drone war, is a good thing, its low visibility (except for the occasional smoking car wreckage) and effective if used correctly.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You think these Islamists would be content with their own state? They are a cancer that wont stop until they are exposed to large amounts of kinetic energy.
    Yes, your bigotry noted.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    US policy can and has also been a stabilizing force. Its the weakness of our current POTUS-the unpredictable and illogical chump who loves his enemies and hates his allies-that is the destabilizing influence. Chine and Russia know it. The ME knows it. Europe knows it.
    No, while you won't find me defending THIS presidents administration of foreign policy. It is a long term policy of destabilisation and take a look, it's working quite well.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

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    (CNN) -- From around Aleppo in western Syria to small areas of Falluja in central Iraq, al Qaeda now controls territory that stretches more than 400 miles across the heart of the Middle East, according to English and Arab language news accounts as well as accounts on jihadist websites.

    Indeed, al Qaeda appears to control more territory in the Arab world than it has done at any time in its history.


    Cont... Bergen: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East - CNN.com



    So more masterful foreign policy from the Obama administration. Under them we have seen a spread of not just AQ but islamic fundamentalism throughout Asia and Africa. And when our weak leader picks a position-its SUPPORTING these types of characters.

    Think back to the campaign promises. Think forward to all the innocent people throughout the world that are suffering because these thugs are running the show.
    Funny. Last I recall, Bush left a reasonably viable anti-terrorism strategy and progress in place when he left office.

    I guess this is a result when a community organizer has delusions of grandeur and is elected to the White House.

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