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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He's supposedly SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O ****ing brilliant, it should be a piece of cake for him to figure out. Especially with foreign policy genius, Joe Biden.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ehh....

    Iran-People were calling for military strike or even invasion of Iran. As of now...a person has been elected that has been pursuing a thawing of relations with the US. What should he of done? A more hawkish stance could of potentially involved us in yet another middle east war.

    Iran-people? we didn't need to invade-we needed to make it known we support those that want democracy-thats all. Our "less-hawkish" response has gotten us a dictatorial theocracy speeding towards a nuke like its cool-but we know you dont mind that one bit.

    Syria- It's either back the regime or back the rebellion. Both are problematic. Whats problematic is that the choice to help neither appears to have escaped you.
    Egypt-So he should of supported Assad against a popular protest? Not assad, he supported the islamists who promptly starting killing Christians and destroying the constitution-its amazing more people didn't die. Our standing is diminished directly because of our weak president.


    They were roaming those areas under Bush. Obama has expanded drone strikes in those countries and expanded programs where we work with governments to get those guys. I'm not sure what else he could do or how his policies are any different than Bush's.
    Not really, we are greatly expanding our presence there-its taken years of quietly establishing these bases or permission to fly over these nations.

    AQ will never be wiped out. Terrorism will never be wiped out. The US strategy is to use drone strikes and work with other countries to keep these guys on the run and from establishing the sort of network they had pre-9/11. You can definitely get some weapons and cause problems while hiding but you can't organize the sort of attacks they did when they had a formal base of operation. . I'm not sure exactly what the expectation is. A lot of the events you criticize him are things that would of happened regardless of president.
    Who said it would be wiped out? Can we agree that an expanding AQ is moving in the wrong direction?

    I'm not sure what you would propose or how he messed up in Iran, Syria, (you explained Egypt), Libya, or the states that have terrorist running wild. Maybe some alternatives to his policies would help out. Maybe just criticizing the Presidents every move works in some circles but I haven't seen much of a response on what he should do...other than Bomb Iran, send arms to the Syrian rebels, Support Assad (and conservatives were not saying this during the protests)...and nothing on what he should be doing elsewhere.
    Libya was an inconsistent cluster, hacked together by an incompetent administration clearly winging it. So was Syria.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, it's because he doesn't have a useful foreign policy in dealing with this, like most liberals. Liberals are worthless when it comes to getting tough. Even his drone strike crusade hasn't hurt them enough.
    Obama thinks badly mimicking a leader is an acceptable substitute.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    US foreign policy transcends administrations. Presidents aren't in charge of it.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

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    (CNN) -- From around Aleppo in western Syria to small areas of Falluja in central Iraq, al Qaeda now controls territory that stretches more than 400 miles across the heart of the Middle East, according to English and Arab language news accounts as well as accounts on jihadist websites.

    Indeed, al Qaeda appears to control more territory in the Arab world than it has done at any time in its history.


    Cont... Bergen: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East - CNN.com



    So more masterful foreign policy from the Obama administration. Under them we have seen a spread of not just AQ but islamic fundamentalism throughout Asia and Africa. And when our weak leader picks a position-its SUPPORTING these types of characters.

    Think back to the campaign promises. Think forward to all the innocent people throughout the world that are suffering because these thugs are running the show.
    yes alquaeda does have more power now than ever.

    but most of its rise is from continuing drone strikes and selective use of the coin strategy.the coin strategy enable us to leave iraq,and bush didnt use it til later towards the end.obama used it at first but later only used it for ground troops but blatently ignored it for drone strikes.

    since vietnam insurgency fighting has been a major issue,since iraq and afghanistan,insurgency has been the primary way of fighting,killing enemies doesnt weaken an insurgency by itself,and improperly executed strengthens the enemy,they hide among the population as a shield,knowing civilians will die to kill them,then they use propoganda to show us as evil and get more recruits than they lost.

    we had a good coin strategy by gen petraeus that worked great,only sad that after its success it was abandoned to repeat the strategies that failed since vietnam.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    while I'm not going to blame Obama for the situation in the "larger" ME, his foreign policy hasn't exactly been coherent. Honestly, it seems rather scatterbrained and reactive, with no real larger goal
    If that is true, was also can't congrats him for the successes in the middle east. Now, let me think of one...

    In seriousness, as the phrase goes, "the buck stops here". If he's going to take credit for killing UBL, when it was a decade long process to track him down, then it's only fair he gets blamed for the deteriorating situations in the ME.. even if all he did was stand back and watch it implode.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    (CNN) -- From around Aleppo in western Syria to small areas of Falluja in central Iraq, al Qaeda now controls territory that stretches more than 400 miles across the heart of the Middle East, according to English and Arab language news accounts as well as accounts on jihadist websites.

    Indeed, al Qaeda appears to control more territory in the Arab world than it has done at any time in its history.


    Cont... Bergen: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East - CNN.com



    So more masterful foreign policy from the Obama administration. Under them we have seen a spread of not just AQ but islamic fundamentalism throughout Asia and Africa. And when our weak leader picks a position-its SUPPORTING these types of characters.

    Think back to the campaign promises. Think forward to all the innocent people throughout the world that are suffering because these thugs are running the show.
    this does not really surprise me.
    War is not a tool to satisfy your emotional outbursts.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    US foreign policy transcends administrations. Presidents aren't in charge of it.
    So Bush wasn't in charge? Thats not what Obama keeps saying.

    Nobodies buying the deflection.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If that is true, was also can't congrats him for the successes in the middle east. Now, let me think of one...

    In seriousness, as the phrase goes, "the buck stops here". If he's going to take credit for killing UBL, when it was a decade long process to track him down, then it's only fair he gets blamed for the deteriorating situations in the ME.. even if all he did was stand back and watch it implode.
    the majority of time you don't even seem to comprehend what you respond to

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So Bush wasn't in charge? Thats not what Obama keeps saying.

    Nobodies buying the deflection.
    Yeah I know the whole "Im the decider" meme, but no. Corporate America sets foreign policy and they are always there. Presidents come and go. You think US foreign policy is a yoyo?

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