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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    while I'm not going to blame Obama for the situation in the "larger" ME, his foreign policy hasn't exactly been coherent. Honestly, it seems rather scatterbrained and reactive, with no real larger goal
    I agree with that to an extent. I'm not sure how you can have a consistent policy. Do you support every popular uprising or support every dictator that allows us to combat terrorism in their borders? Do we always intervene in civil unrest or do we pick and choose? I can't see an overarching policy you could institute with the events that have taken place during his administration.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Given that, if we approach the situation with the notion that we are over here, and you are over there, and we can live in peace, does this mean that those efforts are doomed to failure?

    What I'm getting it, is with an opponent with such an opening position, where's the ground on which to compromise? Doesn't seem like there'll be any, ever.
    Thats the heart of it. You can't compromise with that kind of world view. All you can do is stop it.

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Libya was an inconsistent cluster, hacked together by an incompetent administration clearly winging it. So was Syria.
    I see Libya as a situation where the US sought international co-operation to dispose a dictator. It hasn't been smooth sailing but either you stand on the side line and let Qhaddafi wipe out the opposition (and whole cities by his rhetoric) or you depose him.

    What would you do as President? Ignore Qhaddafi's threats? Send US troops? Americans don't want to be involved in yet another ME war.

    As for Syria...once again..what do you propose. What do conservatives propose?
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Oh...there was a lot of criticism against the war in Iraq...there was also an alternative...not invade Iraq.
    Even Bill Clinton thought Hussein was working on a nuke.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I figured you wouldn't be able to substantiate your claims, in fact it would appear your tripping all over this thread right now.
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    when you have he abilty to talk on these subjects let me know.. but so far youre tripping all over your Obama posters.....

    go back to your cartoons and crayons..sorry to let reality into your world of make believe
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats the heart of it. You can't compromise with that kind of world view. All you can do is stop it.
    Hmm. Slight modification. "All you can do is snuff it out".
    (Sorry, couldn't resist)

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Actually, the spread of AQ in Iraq is due to the absense of US forces, as it will be in the rest of the ME. Not sure what we expected when we bombed the ME governments into submission and then picked up and left. Like Vietnam, our defeatest attitudes costed us thousands of american lives for no reason at all.
    That could be an excuse to keep troops overseas in perpetuity.

    I think it's similar to Vietnam in one respect....it was a long term military operation that cost a lot of lives and money and ultimately Americans were looking around asking "why the hell are we there again?".

    I think a lot of times a "defeatist attitude" is more like a war conducted where in the perception of US citizens the rational for war doesn't meet the cost.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Even Bill Clinton thought Hussein was working on a nuke.
    Sure....and North Korea and Iran. He didn't advocate invading any of those countries. GW Bush did. He also presented a biased case to push for war with Iraq. Believing that Hussein was working on WMD's is different than putting together a one sided report to advocate for war.
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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I see Libya as a situation where the US sought international co-operation to dispose a dictator. It hasn't been smooth sailing but either you stand on the side line and let Qhaddafi wipe out the opposition (and whole cities by his rhetoric) or you depose him.

    What would you do as President? Ignore Qhaddafi's threats? Send US troops? Americans don't want to be involved in yet another ME war.

    As for Syria...once again..what do you propose. What do conservatives propose?

    here is what you do.. Your support Isreal and let them protect Lebanon and and let Syria burn..there is no side to support there..

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    Re: Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Even Bill Clinton thought Hussein was working on a nuke.
    Everyone did, but the left seems to have forgot this for some reason.

    Clinton made regime change the goal of the US in Iraq.

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