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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    The arrival of 2014 promises to open the flood gates of prognostication about Afghanistan’s future as the long-planned withdrawal of U.S. and NATO forces nears completion. Much stock has been placed in discerning Afghan attitudes toward their government and the Taliban as clues for anticipating future events. And with good reason. Counterinsurgency theorists (well, most of them) have argued that winning “hearts and minds” is a key, if not the key, to victory — or at least what passes for victory in these settings.

    Now, new research shows that just how hard winning hearts and minds can be. Afghans who experience violence at the hands of NATO forces become less supportive of these forces and more supportive of the Taliban. But Afghans who experience violence at the hands of the Taliban don’t react nearly as strongly against the Taliban.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbler View Post
    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.
    My state has (today) been selected as a testing area for drones. We can paste a few drones in an average Las Vegas neighborhood and test how this might impact (pun intended) the hearts and minds of the survivors.

    I have picked a few targets and will be sending my suggestions to the DOD. I'll let you know how it works out.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    When one of the first things Americans do when taking over in Afghanistan is to rebuild the former supply line for heroin trafficking in the world at Tajikistan–Afghanistan bridge at Panji Poyon, thus connecting once again the planet with a stable supply of this drug, its hard for the people you want to win over to believe you are on the moral high ground. This, and many other examples, dictate the trevails of turning this region into an area where the enemy once stood against such despotism, as diabolical as they might be.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    You do not win the hearts and minds of those whose culture is built around marrying close family members.

    period.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    It's almost like people get upset or something when you're repeatedly dropping bombs in their country and killing innocent people.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    You can not fix an inferior culture that does not respect the most basic human rights.

    Might as well be trying to win the hearts and minds of a school of piranhas.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's almost like people get upset or something when you're repeatedly dropping bombs in their country and killing innocent people.
    As if they haven't been slaughtering innocent people in those regions on a daily basis for millenia.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    The majority are savages, at best. You can't win the hearts of the heartless and the minds of the simpleton.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    I agree with what a lot of people have already said, you cannot win the hearts and minds of an inherently broken people. These are people who live in squalor, who do not understand or respect the most basic human rights, whose minds have been poisoned by religion and who are so committed to a tribal lifestyle that any concept of a centralized government necessary to lift them out of their disastrous lives is entirely foreign. These are people who cannot be reasoned with. Any attempt to force them to change is futile, they have to choose it for themselves and they lack the most basic of tools to make those decisions in the first place.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As if they haven't been slaughtering innocent people in those regions on a daily basis for millenia.
    And, what, innocent people aren't killed every day here?

    You think someone killing innocent people makes it ok for us to kill innocent people? You think there are any circumstances in which an innocent person is ok with an American bomb killing their innocent child?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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