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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Why is it hard?
    1)We are not a religious culture. They are.
    2) We are a society of "peace." They are a society of "war." (Means we have relative peace...they have existed in perpetual warfare).
    3) we screwed them over already.
    4) we destroyed the country to kill a small group.
    5) we are dishonest.
    6) we don't respect their religion.

    I mean I can come up with a hundred reasons why they hate America. But the reality is that while the people not hate us all that much, it is our actions they have to define us. And some of our biggest insults involve their religion, and their culture. We fundamentally are very different.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A culture that, ny it's nature, breeds and cultivates terrorism IS flawed.

    You people see the culture in the American South as being flawed, because you all insist that southerners are all racist, backwards and ignorant. In many instances Libbos have a great big "**** you" attitude to your own countrymen, but you'll go to the mat to defend a culture that breeds terrorism.
    There is a US Middle Eastern Policy that breeds terrorism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you mean besides reducing complex cultural based behaviors to some ingrained genetic response?
    No! That's, what you mean.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said anything about bombing innocents? People who support terrorists aren't "innocents".
    Do babies and little children and the family dog support terrorists??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We wemt into AG under false pretences?
    Did we loose 4,800 soldiers in AG. Now, respond to the statement.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm talking about the Allied execurion of the war.
    Please. Those allies would have been in the same quagmire had the other side taken off their uniforms and blended in with the civilians. It's a no win situation.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    the 'inferior' culture was quite progressive until Westerners tried the latest go-round of 'civilizing' Afghanistan. the forced attempt to push 'equal rights' for women and the abolishing of religious laws by the Soviet created a backlash we are fighting today. back when these religious kooks fought the Soviets they were likened to our Founding Fathers by no less than St. Reagan. now of course they are in power and degraded as 'inferior'.
    Wait, so to justify your mindless defense of these brutal cultural ideals, you basically accuse people of something, while lacking any proof they actually supported such a policy? How does that make sense to you and do you ever managed to approach a subject outside the confines of some simplistic "us vs them" metric?


    If you want to talk about FMG let's talk about our allies, the ones we embrace as 'good' Muslims. The Kurds in Iraq practice FGM and we don't trash them as 'inferior'. Honor killings??? Hell we do that here, and have you ever heard the term 'shotgun' marriage? You argue in degrees and with blinders firmly on.
    1) you're making an assumption, without proof, then arguing against the position based on a perceived hypocrisy. Neither of which actually address the issues of the practice or the fact that these people can easily choose not to engage in it.

    2) Anyone threatening violence, to enforce a marriage of such social standards, would be clearly breaking the law. So I am unsure on what basis you would compare such to someone engaging in a socially acceptable practice.

    Honestly, try thinking before you post

    PS the rest of your rant follows the same inane and absurd formula.

    Accuse me of defending female mutilations, what a CON strawman.
    then what was the point of your original post when you wrote <<<ALL cultures disrespect some basic human right or another. What we think are basic rights in this country is a hot topic of discussion. Race, abortion, gay rights... you know the drill.

    In a way it is like going into the desert and faulting the flora there for not being redwoods. The climate and conditions do not support that.>>>

    Seems like you are clearly defending their barbaric cultural practices as an inescapable aspect of their nature
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No! That's, what you mean.
    how does that even make sense as a reply to our exchange?

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Why is it hard?
    1)We are not a religious culture. They are.
    2) We are a society of "peace." They are a society of "war." (Means we have relative peace...they have existed in perpetual warfare).
    3) we screwed them over already.
    4) we destroyed the country to kill a small group.
    5) we are dishonest.
    6) we don't respect their religion.

    I mean I can come up with a hundred reasons why they hate America. But the reality is that while the people not hate us all that much, it is our actions they have to define us. And some of our biggest insults involve their religion, and their culture. We fundamentally are very different.
    We are a society of peace!! Haha. I bet all societies claim that of themselves, but for some its true, and for others it's not.


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    Not a lot of peace time in there. I know, in every single case, we were a victim defending ourselves.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    how does that even make sense as a reply to our exchange?
    I thought that of your question. Perhaps if you were to rephrase it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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