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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    how ethnocentric of you. That 'inferior' culture has repelled many 'superior' cultures since the time of Rudyard Kipling. ALL cultures disrespect some basic human right or another. What we think are basic rights in this country is a hot topic of discussion. Race, abortion, gay rights... you know the drill.

    In a way it is like going into the desert and faulting the flora there for not being redwoods. The climate and conditions do not support that.

    I'd say someone from an 'inferior' culture could come to this nation and watch thief at the point of a pistol or pen, see the future for sale in the halls of power, damning each other from the pulpit or town square and wonder how can 'goodness' survive in a nation of cannibals.
    A culture that, ny it's nature, breeds and cultivates terrorism IS flawed.

    You people see the culture in the American South as being flawed, because you all insist that southerners are all racist, backwards and ignorant. In many instances Libbos have a great big "**** you" attitude to your own countrymen, but you'll go to the mat to defend a culture that breeds terrorism.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Outstanding point. The argument in this post can not be broken!
    you mean besides reducing complex cultural based behaviors to some ingrained genetic response?

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So bombing innocents is okay by you? So what they do is okay as well? See how that works? Excusing carpet bombing as acceptable is accepting car bombs, ieds, and suicide bombers hitting soft targets.
    Who said anything about bombing innocents? People who support terrorists aren't "innocents".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yeah, the nazi had some success as well, but they were still ****s. And the idea that I need to respect the deficencies in another culture, when they have serious real world consequences for the individual, is hilarious. And is the type of bastardized thinking that highlights how many "multiculturists" basically apply the type of soft expectations, dependent on skin color, that could best be described as racist



    No, it actually isn't because people have free will and choice. Being brown doesn't neccesitate that you stone some chic for getting raped



    Or, if not racist according to the most strict definition, at least so hypocritical and down right stupid as to render their opinions moot.

    Arguments (if you could call the silly things that) such as these are so relativistic as to be nihilistic in nature, and it is because of this nihilism that any thinking person would reject them.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    By that virtue 4,800 US soldiers wouldn't have died had they not followed Bush into a war waged on false pretence.
    We wemt into AG under false pretences?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Or, if not racist according to the most strict definition, at least so hypocritical and down right stupid as to render their opinions moot.

    Arguments (if you could call the silly things that) such as these are so relativistic as to be nihilistic in nature, and it is because of this nihilism that any thinking person would reject them.
    I call it racist because these soft expectations always seem to apply to cultural groups that are swarthy and perceived as minorities. I'm not exactly comfortable with the words use there, but I fail to see how else to describe it

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I call it racist because these soft expectations always seem to apply to cultural groups that are swarthy and perceived as minorities. I'm not exactly comfortable with the words use there, but I fail to see how else to describe it
    Oh, yes. I definitely agree. You need go no further than the European section to see me offering this same observation over and over to all the apologists there. If it is a white-skinned person doing something it's "Boo! Hiss!!!". If it is a dark-skinned person from another culture it is automatically defended.

    It is just mindless conformity when it gets right down to it. Unthinking people say things because other unthinking people say them, and the costs associated for thinking are too great due to rejection by their peers. It acts no differently than the religious fundamentalism of the far right. .
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It worked during WW2. How do you explain the success then?
    What are you proposing is more like what the Russians and Germans did to each other in WWII, and they aren't the same. The closest example might be the Bombing of Dresden, but that was controversial and pales in severity next to the Nanking Massacre. Twenty-thousand casualties versus hundreds of thousands.

    Not sure why you compared the two to begin with. Fighting terrorists isn't like fighting nations.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    What are you proposing is more like what the Russians and Germans did to each other in WWII, and they aren't the same. The closest example might be the Bombing of Dresden, but that was controversial and pales in severity next to the Nanking Massacre. Twenty-thousand casualties versus hundreds of thousands.

    Not sure why you compared the two to begin with. Fighting terrorists isn't like fighting nations.
    No, I'm talking about the Allied execurion of the war.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are always right there to defend female genital mutilation, honor killings and forced marriages, aren't you? Oops -- make that a "progressive" enslavement and degradation of women. Sounds so much easier to swallow if you consider your support for the brutalization of women as something "progressive" , doesn't it?
    And you always use the sad worn out CON game- where did I 'defend' any of the crap you rant about? typical CON deflection.

    Fact is CONs could give a flying flip about ANY of that- it is just an excuse to degrade another culture that refuses to accept outsider interference. Did we go into the Middle or South East to 'defend' women's rights???

    the 'inferior' culture was quite progressive until Westerners tried the latest go-round of 'civilizing' Afghanistan. the forced attempt to push 'equal rights' for women and the abolishing of religious laws by the Soviet created a backlash we are fighting today. back when these religious kooks fought the Soviets they were likened to our Founding Fathers by no less than St. Reagan. now of course they are in power and degraded as 'inferior'.

    If you want to talk about FMG let's talk about our allies, the ones we embrace as 'good' Muslims. The Kurds in Iraq practice FGM and we don't trash them as 'inferior'. Honor killings??? Hell we do that here, and have you ever heard the term 'shotgun' marriage? You argue in degrees and with blinders firmly on.

    I do enjoy some CONs 'defending' women while some others demand THEY get to decide many female reproductive issues.

    Embrace the woman's rights to work in other nations but hold a nomination convention where that Right wing is mute and CON women are saluted for raising kids.

    No Sir, what we don't like about their society is based on our rather capricious standards. We see their faults quite clearly but seem to ignore our own, from free and easy drugs to incredible rates of unwed teen moms, a culture that puts sex scandal women on a pedestal-make a sex tape and be famous. We attack their forms of government as corrupt but can we really look at our governments and power brokers in any better light?

    What matters isn't their culture, as we have lost the hearts and minds of so many different cultures. No Sir, it is first and foremost does that culture even want our 'help', do they have a history of accepting such 'help'. Next is do we understand sometimes there is no 'good guy' to back, and all we or the Soviets did was stir the pot.

    As long as we continue to make excuses for why we don't prevail and blame 'their culture' instead of our folly we are destined to repeat this hot mess over and over.

    Accuse me of defending female mutilations, what a CON strawman....

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