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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... I'm not sure why anyone would expect the Afghans to change when every single moral lesson of the world wars is lost on the people alive today. And we aren't even committed to a tribal lifestyle.

    Anyway, bombing Afgans to kill terrorists undermines the purpose of destroying the terrorists because it creates more terrorists by confirming their arguments about the evils of the West and their influence in the Middle East. We would have kill all of the Afghans, which would raise so many alarms in the region that further strategic partnerships would be impossible and accelerate the spread of terrorism there and elsewhere, not to mention undermining our alliances with everyone else. So we would have to kill the entire Middle East. But then Russia would have to act to protect its allies, so we would have thermonuclear war.


    How do you suggest we deal with the problem, if not actually attacking insurgents?

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.



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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.
    We already have won over hearts and minds in Afghanistan. Many Afghans are extremely appreciative of our efforts and do not want us to leave. The few extremists do not represent the entire country. They know we are not there to do evil. Ultimate success however will depend on the will of the people and what they want. We can not force them to accept our way of life, or to change theirs without them wanting to.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    The majority are savages, at best. You can't win the hearts of the heartless and the minds of the simpleton.
    I take it you have been to Afghanistan and talked to those that live there then?

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You can not fix an inferior culture that does not respect the most basic human rights.

    Might as well be trying to win the hearts and minds of a school of piranhas.
    What we consider basic rights, is not so in other countries. While we consider it wrong, their culture accepts it. Who are we to tell another country how it should and should not govern itself.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree with what a lot of people have already said, you cannot win the hearts and minds of an inherently broken people. These are people who live in squalor, who do not understand or respect the most basic human rights, whose minds have been poisoned by religion and who are so committed to a tribal lifestyle that any concept of a centralized government necessary to lift them out of their disastrous lives is entirely foreign. These are people who cannot be reasoned with. Any attempt to force them to change is futile, they have to choose it for themselves and they lack the most basic of tools to make those decisions in the first place.
    All we can do is introduce them to a new way of life, but ultimately it is up to them and if they are happy how they are, then we have no choice but to accept it

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    It's easy.

    Get out and leave them alone. Let them sort out their mess.

    They will think far more highly of you right there.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Most of the local people over here have no concept of why we are here. We just need to leave.
    As a dreamer of dreams and a travellin' man, I have chalked up many a mile.
    Read dozens of books about heroes and crooks and I've learned much from both of their styles!

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    What we consider basic rights, is not so in other countries. While we consider it wrong, their culture accepts it. Who are we to tell another country how it should and should not govern itself.
    That's the precise question that many keep asking, yet we hear all the time that exporting democracy is our mission. It's arrogant, and quite impossible.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    All we can do is introduce them to a new way of life, but ultimately it is up to them and if they are happy how they are, then we have no choice but to accept it
    Where was that ever in the mission statement?? I thought we went into Afghanistan to root out and destroy the Taliban and or al Qaeda which our government assured us was responsible for our 9/11 attacks! What's this pie in the sky talk about introducing a new way of life? Sounds like a diplomatic mission or one you might dispatch the clergy for. Soldiers aren't sent to do that sort of thing. Soldiers are sent to kill people and destroy property. Which thing they have been doing quite well. Far more civilians have died in our thirteen years presence than Taliban/al Qaeda!! But hey, opium production is at an all time high under the US's protection!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's the precise question that many keep asking, yet we hear all the time that exporting democracy is our mission. It's arrogant, and quite impossible.
    Our mission is to take care of America, or it should be

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