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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think the bombing increases the number of people who hate us. If Canada blew up your kid because they were aiming at bad guys, do you think that might alter your perception of Canada?
    What I don't understand, is why such a perfectly rational statement such as this, is met with such vitriol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As if they haven't been slaughtering innocent people in those regions on a daily basis for millenia.
    So lets join in the fun eh?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    The majority are savages, at best. You can't win the hearts of the heartless and the minds of the simpleton.
    Exactly, why are we wasting our time, we have nukes and we could always use the glass.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The difference that you don't get, is that they weren't living among us as known terrorists. They were just ordinary people.
    Do just ordinary people hijack jet planes and fly them into buildings and kill themselves. Do ordinary people take flying lessons and tell the flight instructor they aren't interested in learning how to land and take off?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's such a calloused attitude. You wish to bomb people in the vicinity of other people that are alleged to be our enemy because they too "PROBABLY" hate us. Only one in five people (some put the estimates higher) that are killed by drones are "alleged enemy combatants". How do you sleep at night. This is a moral outrage. Someone on the ground (CIA assets or whoever the hell they are) provides information that there's bad guys (terrorists) in a a house/building at these coordinates and some guy setting in a CIA building on the 10th floor in Miami flys a drone over and drops a missile down the chimney. Sorry, grandma and two babies plus a couple cats were in there, SORRY, collateral damage. They shouldn't have let the terrorist in. Some of these guys chop your head off or pull your heart out and eat it. But old men and young women and children are at fault because they won't stop letting them live among them, they should run them out. It's too bad there isn't a god. The perpetrators of these crimes against humanity will have to receive their punishments, some other way.
    So instead we should do nothing except perhaps call them bad names. And the ones who are willing to blow up civilians automatically win every argument because we can't stop them without killing civilians.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    So instead we should do nothing except perhaps call them bad names. And the ones who are willing to blow up civilians automatically win every argument because we can't stop them without killing civilians.
    That's your defense for killing innocent people in drone attacks? At this rate for every terrorist killed, 3 are created. US foreign policy is the blame. We have no fears here. The "war on terror" is a farce and Sly, your going to die of a lightning strike, not a terrorist attack, the odds are greater, just sayin.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.



    entire article here:

    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.
    The smaller the footprint, the easier it is to win the hearts and minds.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't go to war, to win hearts and minds. You go to war to beat the living **** out of the enemy and his supporters, to the point where they no longer have the will to resist. That strategy worked during WW2, on the Japanese and the Germans. After we go through them, they might have hated us, but they were too beat down to act on that hatred.

    People don't like getting bombed? Then, they should stop allowing terrorists to live among them. If they won't do that, then I say bomb them even more, because they probably hated us anyway.
    ... I'm not sure why anyone would expect the Afghans to change when every single moral lesson of the world wars is lost on the people alive today. And we aren't even committed to a tribal lifestyle.

    Anyway, bombing Afgans to kill terrorists undermines the purpose of destroying the terrorists because it creates more terrorists by confirming their arguments about the evils of the West and their influence in the Middle East. We would have kill all of the Afghans, which would raise so many alarms in the region that further strategic partnerships would be impossible and accelerate the spread of terrorism there and elsewhere, not to mention undermining our alliances with everyone else. So we would have to kill the entire Middle East. But then Russia would have to act to protect its allies, so we would have thermonuclear war.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    In the end, it may not be back to where we started, but we will be gone for the most part, and others will be in control, most likely China. Too many Afghanis believe we only came for other reasons to begin with, such as the mineral wealth, estimated to be at nearly 1 trillion dollars, and getting the heroin pipeline going again. Furthermore, more and more the insurgents battling the US are not religiously motivated, and are turning out to be highly educated Afghanis that even once fought the Taliban prior to our invasion.

    BBC News - Afghans say US team found huge potential mineral wealth

    Most insurgents in Afghanistan not religiously motivated, military reports say - The Boston Globe

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And, what, innocent people aren't killed every day here?

    You think someone killing innocent people makes it ok for us to kill innocent people? You think there are any circumstances in which an innocent person is ok with an American bomb killing their innocent child?
    No, you made the clear suggestion that our use of violence was alienating the population there. The response was that these people are hardly delicate flowers that have never been exposed to such and that the argument is silly when considering the fact that the region has always dealt in violence rather liberally.

    Sure you can get all frantic and start making moral appeals to what Americans should do now, but that was clearly not your original point and it's just a flagrant exercise in dishonesty

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