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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Correlation does not prove causation. Alexander was fairly successful in Afghanistan, as were (I believe) the British.

    Instead of mindlessly pointing at the history of Afghanistan to assert that victory there is impossible, we should analyze the context and strategies of those previous wars to see what conditions led to defeat, as well as those of the present day. And we should alter our policy first and foremost by deeply reconsidering the status of our relationship with Pakistan.
    The British were not successful. Each time they withdrew from Afghanistan.

    The fact you are talking about "victory" in Afghanistan is just as foolish as Neocons insisting victory was possible in Iraq. This is a failure of insight into a 3rd world dictatorship put in power by United States, British and other colonialism causes that then require intervention to remove that dictatorship when they thumb their nose at their "bosses". The form of "civilization" they had was only held together by force and brutality. The religious differences and separatist movements in Iraq were set in stone before the first bomb was dropped. It was something DoD wrote papers on and others even Op-Ed it. They suggested splitting Iraq into 3 different regions two of which would be free to decide if to join Jordan, Kuwait (more then likely Iran) or create their own states. The 3 region would be come Kurdistan. Iraq would cease to exist. That's what is gonna happen. It's the only way for the violence can be controlled.

    Afghanistan is the same way. When the US leaves violence is gonna go up again and the Taliban are gonna steamroll to it's power of pre-9/11. The Afghan military is only held together by foreign oversight and the knowledge that US, British and others combat troops are there. Once they are gone, those Afghans we trained for the military are just gonna leave and fight along ethnic sides. British have been floating the idea around for 2 years now. British plan calls for 8 regions. I can really only 3 being needed. Pashtuns will control one and we have to accept the fact that the Taliban will have power. This isn't some secret. It's just something that we refuse to talk about. We will have to make peace with the Taliban, they aren't going away. Just like British and Unionist in Northern Ireland had to make peace with the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My state has (today) been selected as a testing area for drones. We can paste a few drones in an average Las Vegas neighborhood and test how this might impact (pun intended) the hearts and minds of the survivors.

    I have picked a few targets and will be sending my suggestions to the DOD. I'll let you know how it works out.
    Whatever the drones blow up in Vegas...I hope the explosion is huge enough to atmospherically scatter all of the money I lost there and drift back to my house.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Whatever the drones blow up in Vegas...I hope the explosion is huge enough to atmospherically scatter all of the money I lost there and drift back to my house.
    Good luck with that

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Good luck with that
    Well, it only took me about 3 dozen times going in Vegas over the past 30 years to realize that I was insane for going to Vegas to gamble.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, it only took me about 3 dozen times going in Vegas over the past 30 years to realize that I was insane for going to Vegas to gamble.

    Thus...I've ceased and desisted. <<<---if that's spelled right? I don't thunk so. Anyway, you get the gist.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm saying the vast majority of the wars the US fights are political, by far.
    Are not ALL wars political?
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Who is this 'they' you speak of? You act as if this small snapshot of Islam is the entire picture, that would be like saying a record cold day in Atlanta means there is no 'global warming'.

    It wasn't that long ago a white guy could kill a black man and get away with it- the black man's crime was whistling while black, but American apologists don't call that our 'culture'.
    Wow, open your freaking eyes.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Who is this 'they' you speak of? You act as if this small snapshot of Islam is the entire picture, that would be like saying a record cold day in Atlanta means there is no 'global warming'.

    It wasn't that long ago a white guy could kill a black man and get away with it- the black man's crime was whistling while black, but American apologists don't call that our 'culture'.
    1) we are clearly talking about Afghanistan

    2) we changed that behavior, partly due to the fact people were willing to openly criticize it and not let others go "well, it's just their nature" ...

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You are just proving me right with your example of the Viet Cong.


    Vietcong were doing the same thing as the Taliban. You should read up what the Viet Cong did in Huế, it's My Canh bombing, Đắk Sơn, death squads that killed over 30,000 civilians in South Vietnam.
    Although terrorism was only a minor component of Vietcong activities (as opposed to the Taliban), I'll concede that death squads are a form of terrorism. However, making the link to death squads if anything shows you to be even more wrong - death squads and carpet bombing are forms of non-guerrilla terrorism that is almost entirely utilized by standard national militaries.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I said America is a nation of "peace."

    Are you suggesting that America does not fight defensive wars?
    Well obviously I was disagreeing with that and showed you why. And of course I don't think the US fights defensive wars, much.
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