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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There is a US Middle Eastern Policy that breeds terrorism.
    By that logic, I take it you would also justify Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. The, 'It's all Amerca's fault', meme lost it's luster a long time ago. It's absolitely disgusting to insist that America is to blame for 3,000 Americans being murdered. It's a display of the ignorance of history and the Islamofacist agenda.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We are a society of peace!! Haha. I bet all societies claim that of themselves, but for some its true, and for others it's not.


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    Not a lot of peace time in there. I know, in every single case, we were a victim defending ourselves.
    So. How many of those did our entire society have to revolve around war? In this last and most recent conflict...did the average citizen sacrifice anything? Did we have war on our doorstep? No.

    You can say we are aggressive and imperial (a joke if you consider any historical context). But you can't claim we are a society of war. Our society hasn't faced war at home since WW2. And that was limited to outlying regions and fear of submarine attack. Prior to that it would have been the civil war.

    Don't disservice the plight of the Afghan people by comparing their civilization of perpetual war since before the British...to that of an obese democracy that goes to other places to fight their wars.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Please. Those allies would have been in the same quagmire had the other side taken off their uniforms and blended in with the civilians. It's a no win situation.
    We would have targetted everyone, since at that point everyone would have legally been the enemy.

    Your defense of the terrorists is absolutely disgusting!
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Did we loose 4,800 soldiers in AG. Now, respond to the statement.
    A post about Iraq is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

    There were 3,527 American KIA's in Iraq. Why do you keep lieing about the numbers?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbler View Post
    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.



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    How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.
    Very difficult...... How would you like it if a bunch of Afghans were running around in your backyard (regardless of intent)?

    I don't believe that those who resent our presence do so because they sympathize with radical terrorists, but rather because we're in their back yard... Many hate both terrorists and US forces.

    Hell, I'd be pissed off too if the National Guard occupied my neighborhood and declared Martial Law.

    If we want friends in occupied areas we need to treat the locals with the respect and dignity they deserve. I know that is difficult when you can't tell a terrorist from a local but the best way to handle that is to make an example out of terrorists. You don't send terrorists to GETMO - you hang them in the middle of the street.. That may sound savage to your typical progressive but that is how "justice" is served in the same cultures we occupy...

    "Abducting" terrorists and throwing them in a cushy GETMO proves nothing to the local communities that we occupy, other than there is a reward for being a terrorist - 3 meals a day, your own cell and your own soapbox.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Wait, so to justify your mindless defense of these brutal cultural ideals, you basically accuse people of something, while lacking any proof they actually supported such a policy? How does that make sense to you and do you ever managed to approach a subject outside the confines of some simplistic "us vs them" metric? 1) you're making an assumption, without proof, then arguing against the position based on a perceived hypocrisy. Neither of which actually address the issues of the practice or the fact that these people can easily choose not to engage in it. 2) Anyone threatening violence, to enforce a marriage of such social standards, would be clearly breaking the law. So I am unsure on what basis you would compare such to someone engaging in a socially acceptable practice. Honestly, try thinking before you post PS the rest of your rant follows the same inane and absurd formula. then what was the point of your original post when you wrote <<<ALL cultures disrespect some basic human right or another. What we think are basic rights in this country is a hot topic of discussion. Race, abortion, gay rights... you know the drill. In a way it is like going into the desert and faulting the flora there for not being redwoods. The climate and conditions do not support that.>>> Seems like you are clearly defending their barbaric cultural practices as an inescapable aspect of their nature
    You seem intent on offering no refute, just your opinion. The Soviets did promote the concept of women to be educated, part of the work force and government. They did insist on the end of religious rule in courts and government. St. Reagan did refer to the 'freedom fighters' many well known to be extreme religious warriors, as the Aghan Founding fathers. The CON praisees are in the book CONs love to trump- "Charlie Wilson's War'.

    The us vs them metric is the CON template for everything... they don't act or think like we do so they are inferior.

    No Sir, it is a matter of degree, we accept the honor killings in this country, the forced marriages, the violence because we have a law against it. That sometimes these laws are ignored such as the KKK murders of 'uppity' blacks or 'meddlesome' yankees is shrugged off as 'the past'.

    While we don't let a dad go scot-free for killing the rapist who defiled his daughter,(many CONS would do just that), we do allow mitigation and tend to not judge the dad as a cold blooded murderer.

    But you continue down the 'white man's folly' road. You blame the 'inferior' culture for our failures, rather than our own hubris and folly.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said anything about bombing innocents? People who support terrorists aren't "innocents".
    You justify bombing innocents for the greater good. That's exactly what they say and do. Our "justifiable" war is their "Jihad".

    Btw, a total of 25,000 to 39,000 French civilians died during Operation Overlord. We had to kill them to free them.
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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You justify bombing innocents for the greater good. That's exactly what they say and do. Our "justifiable" war is their "Jihad".

    Btw, a total of 25,000 to 39,000 French civilians died during Operation Overlord. We had to kill them to free them.
    The Nazis felt their cause was justified. Are you going to defemd them, as well?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your defense of the terrorists is absolutely disgusting!
    I love terrorism. It's a fantastic tactic the US taught and exported to the rest of the world.

    "As many critics have pointed, out, terrorism is not an enemy. It is a tactic. Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today's war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world." - General William Odom, NSA Director under Reagan.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: How hard is it to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan? Very hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I love terrorism. It's a fantastic tactic the US taught and exported to the rest of the world.

    "As many critics have pointed, out, terrorism is not an enemy. It is a tactic. Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today's war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world." - General William Odom, NSA Director under Reagan.
    Islam is the enemy of all people who are not followers of Islam.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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