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Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109:573]

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He said he believed until yesterday that none of his people were involved, and I believe him. You have evidence he wasn't truthful?:peace

What does that have to do with him being accountable?
 
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Had Romney won, ACA would have already been repealed, or at least rendered inoperative by the simple expedient of refusing to appropriate funds for it.

That wouldn't actually change the law. The individual mandate would still apply, but with no subsidies. He wouldn't survive long after that - even Republican voters want their freebies.
 
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The reality of the situation is even if Romney won, he still couldn't have gotten rid of Obamacare. To do that the Republicans would have had to gain control of the senate and they didn't. They lost two seats. Senator Reid wouldn't bring any bill for the repeal to the floor. It wasn't a political reality. I think anyone with two cents worth of knowing politics could have told you that. Repealing Obamacare was impossible without the senate.

Exactly. No way it even gets a vote in the Senate. Romney and his bots seem to have forgotten that there's a Constitutional path to change laws, and there's no retroactive veto.
 
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What does that have to do with him being accountable?

He apologized and took immediate action once he understood the problem.
 
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That wouldn't actually change the law. The individual mandate would still apply, but with no subsidies. He wouldn't survive long after that - even Republican voters want their freebies.

Non-funding would force Harry Reid to cave in the Senate and repeal would follow.
 
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Exactly. No way it even gets a vote in the Senate. Romney and his bots seem to have forgotten that there's a Constitutional path to change laws, and there's no retroactive veto.

Yeah. Romney did promise his supporters he would repeal Obamacare, but that was basically telling his base what they wanted to hear. But as it happened, Obamacare really wasn't an issue in 2012 or a very minor one. I suppose because Obama could always counter act it with Romneycare while he was governor. His little explanation that Romneycare was only a state initiative vs. one nationwide wouldn't have had much of an impact with voters.
 
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Non-funding would force Harry Reid to cave in the Senate and repeal would follow.

Uh huh, right...:roll:
 
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Uh huh, right...:roll:

Faced with a Repub WH and and Repub House, backed by an election victory based on a promise of repeal, Reid would cave.:peace
 
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Friday January 10th, 2014​
 
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Disclosure: I am/Was a Christie Fan.

He was pretty good at the Press Conference yesterday, IF he is telling the truth.

I think we Will find out because the current outed culprits will be testifying under oath to several investigations, including possible a Federal one.
Facing not just Perjury, but other criminal charges, Bridget et al, migt cough it up IF he was involved.
Without those circumstances, it could have been quashed.
We'll see.

What's a definite FAIL on CC"s part is proceeding with the Confirmation hearings of the possible Ring Leader/Chief of Staff/Dowd as State Attorney General!
A crazy and unforgivable attempted outcome where the Possible Chief conspirator will be leading the state investigation OF his friends/possible fellow perps!
The Nomination should have been Put on hold pending investigations. IOW, at least 6 months.

This guarantees some more Fun next week. The Hearings scheduled to start Tuesday.
 
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Faced with a Repub WH and and Repub House, backed by an election victory based on a promise of repeal, Reid would cave.:peace

Obama won re-election in 2012. The Democrats gained seats in the house and the senate, have control of the senate and more voters voted for Democratic house candidates than Republican house candidates....

And the GOP spent the next year trying to repeal Obama-care including a wildly unpopular government shut-down. Why would you think the Democrats would concede the ACA had Romney won when the GOP clearly didn't?
 
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Obama won re-election in 2012. The Democrats gained seats in the house and the senate, have control of the senate and more voters voted for Democratic house candidates than Republican house candidates....

And the GOP spent the next year trying to repeal Obama-care including a wildly unpopular government shut-down. Why would you think the Democrats would concede the ACA had Romney won when the GOP clearly didn't?

The discussion was a counterfactual. A beautiful dream if you will.:peace
 
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What the hell investigation do you think Christie called for??

Didn't he say that he was unavailable at some point this week where reporters were all wondering what he was up to, and he made clear in the presser that he was looking into this....

In any case, he answered all questions yesterday, and even though I don't care for him as a politician, I think he is telling the truth...But I understand you progressives are all frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs, so froth away.
 
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Someone intentionally creating massive traffic jams should be charged with terrorism.

I certainly agree that they should be charged with the appropriate crime.

Why terrorism?

I had to smile when news of his two hour press conference hit yesterday. Right away I thought of the Alan Alda character - Republican Arnold Vinick - on the final year of WEST WING and how he gave a lengthy press conference to try and bury his involvement in getting a nuclear power company on line only to have it turn into disaster later.

It failed and he lost the election to Democrat Jimmy Smits - Matt Santos.
 
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The emails you are claiming Christie investigated (btw, Christie did no investigating) included an email from one of the participants saying ""time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee."

If they looked at the emails they either were too stupid to recognize this evidence of a conspiracy (incompetence) or ignored it (corruption)

Well, you are welcome to your opinion, however, I believe that he was telling the truth yesterday....But, by all means keep up the pointless attack over your made up scandal....Hey, maybe tomorrow some other Repub Governor will have some potholes filled causing traffic to slow, and you can attack them as some huge conspiracy....In the mean time your main man Obama is doing real damage to the country.
 
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The Democrats might nominate Hillary, or maybe not. It's pretty soon to be making predictions. As for America not wanting anything with a D or an R behind their names, that would really be a paradigm shift in politics.

Time to run a real libertarian?

They're all in Colorado buyin' dope....:lol:
 
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Something that I heard Christie say in a local interview was when he was asked to show anything that indicates that a traffic study was being done and he said he wouldn't show anything because it wouldn't matter. That there makes it kind of look like he was in on the lie somewhat.

In further news....It's 5:30 pm, and traffic on the GW is a bitch! It's a damned conspiracy I tell ya....

Oh, and....

Please be advised that due to expected continued heavy volume at Maher Terminals main gate and to ensure safe vehicular movement throughout the port, the following traffic directive will be in place for the remainder of the week.

All inbound truck traffic will be serviced from the southern end of the Port approaching from North Avenue.

No left turns will be allowed from Corbin Street.

Trucks will be allowed to queue as far as Tripoli Street.


1/8/2014 2:45:51 PM
Due to heavy congestion at Maher Terminals Main Gate all traffic is to exit the Port via Northbound Corbin Street. All inbound traffic please use the South entrance (North Avenue) to enter the Port.

Port Authority Alerts & Advisories

That damned Christie....
 
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Something that I heard Christie say in a local interview was when he was asked to show anything that indicates that a traffic study was being done and he said he wouldn't show anything because it wouldn't matter. That there makes it kind of look like he was in on the lie somewhat.

No. It does not.:peace
 
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Well, you are welcome to your opinion, however, I believe that he was telling the truth yesterday....But, by all means keep up the pointless attack over your made up scandal....Hey, maybe tomorrow some other Repub Governor will have some potholes filled causing traffic to slow, and you can attack them as some huge conspiracy....In the mean time your main man Obama is doing real damage to the country.

What a dodge!!

I didn't ask if you believed what he said. I asked you about how, if his mythical investigation actually looked at the emails, they could have looked at "time for Ft Lee to have some traffic problems" and not realize it was proof of his aides guilt?

Instead of backing up your lie that Christie investigated the issue, or that he had anyone look at the emails, you're trying to pretend this is about Obama - proof that even you know your claims are BS.

So go ahead and run away from your claim that Gov Christie launched an investigation - we all know why you won't defend your BS
 
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No need to speculate, here's what a Romney Presidency would have looked liked.
Romney Readiness Project: Retrospective & Lessons Learned: Christopher Liddell, Daniel Kroese, Clark Campbell: 9780615799865: Amazon.com: Books

Because the thing we need to fix the country is a new mission statement. Politics aside, a Romney presidency would have been a managerial disaster. Obama certainly has his failings, but at least he knows his limitations. Romney thought that managing a hedge fund was equivalent to being President.

Anyone who's ever worked for a large company knows people like Romney. They come in to a profitable company, talk a lot of BS, make superficial changes, gut all investments in the future, cut jobs, double everyone’s workload, make short term profits, and then preen about like they're some financial genius. Basically, they're leaches that don't have any idea what it's like to actually build a business, make a real product, or create a real idea. The GOP should consider itself lucky that Romney wasn't elected.

I wasn't a Romney fan, and excuse me for saying this but that was a load of nonsense.
For one thing, he ran a State and it's a common belief that a Governorship is very good preparation.
Could you point to similar/equal career preparation by Obama?
Community Organizer?
Let's pause here to acknowledge that, yes, Obama has brought his CO experience to the Office, but to "rub raw the resentments of the people" is not generally the skillset most admired in a President.
No, I'm sorry but what you've created as your fantasy of a Romney Administration was actually accomplished by the Obama Administration.
It's eerily funny in a macabre way and like you did it on purpose ... did you?
  • They come in to a profitable company,
  • talk a lot of BS,
  • make superficial changes,
  • cut jobs,
  • double everyone’s workload,
  • and then preen about like they're some financial genius.
 
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The Democrats might nominate Hillary, or maybe not. It's pretty soon to be making predictions. As for America not wanting anything with a D or an R behind their names, that would really be a paradigm shift in politics.

Time to run a real libertarian?
The problem is that outside the D's and R's, the other options are usually a bunch of different ones that split up whatever portion of the vote is left after people vote for the D or the R.

Then of course there are those who vote against one candidate or the other, because they're so opposed to them...and the best chance of beating them is most often the other big letter.

In the end it's probably less than 25% of the voters who actually vote for someone other than a D or an R.


As for running a "real libertarian". They would lose, IMO. Real libertarianism is too radical for most people. Partial libertarianism mixed with conservatism or liberalism would probably go over better.
 
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No, I am saying that what ever investigation Christie called for included e-mails.

You saying it, don't make it so. A bit more from the radical left wing Wall Street Journal, 12 Dec 2013
Chris Christie Complained to Andrew Cuomo That His Appointee Was Pressing Too Hard for Answers

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week to complain about a Cuomo appointee's handling of a growing controversy over traffic pattern changes on the George Washington Bridge, a person familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Christie, a Republican, complained in a private phone call to Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, that Patrick Foye, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was pressing too hard to get to the bottom of why the number of toll lanes onto the bridge from Fort Lee, N.J. was cut from three to one in early September, according to this person. The lane closures occurred without notice to local authorities, officials have said, and snarled traffic for a week in the small borough on the Hudson River bluffs."
 
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Christie's problems continue to grow

Christie pulls judicial nominee amid GWB flap

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Gov. Chris Christie has notified the state Senate that he is withdrawing the nomination of his acting attorney general to the Superior Court.

The pulling of the nomination late Friday is another wound to an administration facing its most difficult test so far.

The Republican governor hoped to send acting Attorney General John Hoffman to the bench and clear a spot for his chief of staff, Kevin O'Dowd, to become attorney general. Christie's office said the decision was made to ensure continuity in the attorney general's office.

But Democrats have delayed O'Dowd's confirmation hearing indefinitely because of the possibly politically orchestrated closing of approach lanes to the George Washington Bridge that caused traffic chaos in Fort Lee.

O'Dowd had supervised the aide who was fired for her involvement.

Three other key associates of the governor are also now gone as a result of the bridge scandal.
 
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What a dodge!!

I didn't ask if you believed what he said. I asked you about how, if his mythical investigation actually looked at the emails, they could have looked at "time for Ft Lee to have some traffic problems" and not realize it was proof of his aides guilt?

Instead of backing up your lie that Christie investigated the issue, or that he had anyone look at the emails, you're trying to pretend this is about Obama - proof that even you know your claims are BS.

So go ahead and run away from your claim that Gov Christie launched an investigation - we all know why you won't defend your BS

"What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?"
 
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