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ttwtt78640 said:

Not to worry - Obama has the same issues but was re-elected none the less.

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He was outdone in the area by his opposition.

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Threegoofs said:

Not only that, but he RESIGNED over it last month. But Christie was shocked ! shocked! When he heard about the scandal just yesterday.

So his HS buddy and top appointee from a significant state agency abruptly leaves, but Christie isn't even curious as to why?

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Feel free to slide to the CT at any time.

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Christie did give a good performance, I'll give him that. He took on the questions for a marathon run, and that is part of his charm. As to his involvement, I've come to the conclusion, he is in the thick of it.

There's just no way the aide had that kind of authority to give that order to Wildstein.

Maddow last night posited an alternate theory that colors the vendetta from not a retaliation for non-endorsement, but for another imbroglio regarding some rather stunning moves Christie made with Supreme Court justices -- and the NJ Senate president - who represents: Fort Lee.

Her name is Loretta Weinberg, and in 2011, Christie urged reporters to "take a bat to" her.

Anyway, for some bizarre reason, for the first time in NJ history, Christie canned one of the SC Justices in 2010 - []- NJ.com.

It really incensed the dems. So they refused to confirm his next pick. And then his next pick, and his next...Fire was going on regarding this SC battle.

Well, it appears, on Aug 12, 2012 (remember that date) -- was the last straw, when Christie removed from renomination another Supreme Court justice (Helen Hoens) (who is married to a Christie staffer). This is a woman he liked, but he was so mad at Senate Democrats - he canned her. That afternoon he gave the stunning news and late in the day, pulled together a huffy press conference and said:

"I was not going to let her loose to the animals." Yes, Christie called the Senate Democrats animals. He also added: "What the ramifications would be for that going forward, [Senate Democrats] should have thought about before opening their mouths."

Now, go back to the date Bridget gave the "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee" order.

That would be the very.next.morning. August 13th. Before 8AM.

Plausible cause? As the saying goes: We report, you decide.

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justabubba said:

if christie had shown that willingness to own the problem back when it first became public knowledge, i would agree with your post

but he didn't
he made a calculated error by ignoring the issue until the media presented it in such a way that it could no longer be ignored
christie was forced to take this action
character would have been displayed had he done it months ago when that was the right thing to do
all he is doing now is playing victim while simultaneously pretending to take responsibility. too clever by half. but then he need not be very clever to appeal to the lemming on the right

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According to him, what he knew months ago did not include the actions we now know occurred, and until such evidence shows he was fully aware of what occurred months ago and covered it up, you're claim is unfounded. Since you want to talk about facts, how about providing an email or some evidence that shows Christie knew what happened months ago? Well, we know that doesn't yet exist yet because you apparently don't like his style or his political party or whatever... you've made the assumption he knew, he's covering up, etc. That's fine, just know that as of today, you're view is not supported by the evidence and therefore is your belief and not fact.

What is a fact, is that Christie held a seminar on how to be a leader. Unlike the the White House who, if we use the bar your claiming as a measurement of competency, should never have been voted in office due to incompetency. Taking shots at Christie is fine but it opens the door to things like the IRS, NSA, Benghazi.... especially Benghazi where people died and the IRS where groups were targeted for political reasons. Lerner got to retire with full benefits and no press conference, no accountability, no responsibility from the President. :shrug:

Bottom line is, you set the bar very high when it comes to Christie, and then move it to within millimeters of the ground when it comes to a 2 term sitting President. Can you point to all of the scathing posts you've made over the past 5 years stating Obama is incompetent, unworthy of the white house before the 2012 election?

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Oh Jersey, you're the gift that keeps on giving!

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ttwtt78640 said:

Not to worry - Obama has the same issues but was re-elected none the less.

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reinoe said:

He was outdone in the area by his opposition.

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Seems to me this is one of those on-the-one-hand but on-the-other-hand situations ... at least, certainly one ripe for a healthy dose of perspective ...

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Dr. Chuckles said:

The only thing most of the people care about here is what party the guy belongs to. It's one of the more annoying, yet, funny aspects of this board

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True. It seems the Republican die-hards don't care because he's their guy. If he were a Dem, the only thing different about this thread would be the party affiliations of who's criticizing and who's deflecting.

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apdst said:

Right! The same way you called Obama out for his abuses of power?

All this bitching about Christie is nothing more than partisan hackery.

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Yes, and you're so bothered about this....hmmm I wonder why this doesn't bother you....

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apdst said:

People are going to die because Obamacare stripped them of their insurance.

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We'll see, but maybe we should save that for a thread about Obamacare instead of indulging your desperate deflections.

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rocket88 said:

True. It seems the Republican die-hards don't care because he's their guy. If he were a Dem, the only thing different about this thread would be the party affiliations of who's criticizing and who's deflecting.

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I don't think that's accurate - who from the Republicans came out to defend Christie before or after the press conference yesterday? I think one did? How about the RNC? Nope. Anyone in congress defend Christie? Nah. So if Christie has Republican die-hards it's not in Washington.

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bubbabgone said:

Seems to me this is one of those on-the-one-hand but on-the-other-hand situations ... at least, certainly one ripe for a healthy dose of perspective ...

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So you think the same about Christie as you do about Obama? Somehow, I don't believe that.

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Ockham said:

According to him, what he knew months ago did not include the actions we now know occurred, and until such evidence shows he was fully aware of what occurred months ago and covered it up, you're claim is unfounded. ...

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Yes, Christie knew Nut-tin! Nuttin! and, you know...he fired those responsible immediately - IMMEDIATELY!

Strange he would show such a lack of curiosity in getting to the bottom of it, innit?

I'm trying to figure out why he would want to call off the dogs as he did...

Governors Spoke Privately About Bridge Controversy

Chris Christie Complained to Andrew Cuomo That His Appointee Was Pressing Too Hard for Answers

Dec. 12, 2013 9:58 p.m. ET <----

"Mr. Christie, a Republican, complained in a private phone call to Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, that Patrick Foye, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was pressing too hard to get to the bottom of why the number of toll lanes onto the bridge from Fort Lee, N.J. was cut from three to one in early September, according to this person."

Governors Spoke Privately About Bridge Controversy - WSJ.com

Curious, isn't it?

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Ockham said:

I don't think that's accurate - who from the Republicans came out to defend Christie before or after the press conference yesterday? I think one did? How about the RNC? Nope. Anyone in congress defend Christie? Nah. So if Christie has Republican die-hards it's not in Washington.

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Maybe not in Washington, but I was referring to this board, as Chuckles was. Here in this thread, the cons are desperately trying to make the thread about Obama, because God forbid anyone pay attention to what an (R) does. "It's the media's fault" "But...but...Obamacare!" "Fast and Furious!"

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rocket88 said:

So you think the same about Christie as you do about Obama? Somehow, I don't believe that.

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It's all relative.
Let's say they're both lying ... who's the bigger liar telling the bigger lies?

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bubbabgone said:

It's all relative.
Let's say they're both lying ... who's the bigger liar telling the bigger lies?

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If we're talking about suit size, Christie is definitely bigger.

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bubbabgone said:

It's all relative.
Let's say they're both lying ... who's the bigger liar telling the bigger lies?

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..."If you like your traffic lanes, you can keep them. Period."...

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rocket88 said:

If we're talking about suit size, Christie is definitely bigger.

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True dat.
Given that observation then, suit size is in inverse proportion to lie size.
(have we embarked down the wrong reason path here)

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humbolt said:

..."if you like your traffic lanes, you can keep them. Period."...

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ha !!!

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bubbabgone said:

True dat.
Given that observation then, suit size is in inverse proportion to lie size.
(have we embarked down the wrong reason path here)

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We'll see what the truth really is when it comes out. IF it does.

For now, it would seem that Christie himself was not personally involved, and he has fired the aide responsible. I can accept that, and in some ways I respect him a lot more for it.

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rocket88 said:

Maybe not in Washington, but I was referring to this board, as Chuckles was. Here in this thread, the cons are desperately trying to make the thread about Obama, because God forbid anyone pay attention to what an (R) does. "It's the media's fault" "But...but...Obamacare!" "Fast and Furious!"

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Well it's about contrasting Christie with what has happened that is similar - and the things that has happened which were similar occurred in the WH. It's also about obvious partisanship and hypocrisy. If someone foams at the mouth about Christie they should be equally foamy about Obama but we all know that's not happening. Therefore, it's very easy to dismiss the "noise" by Democrats simply by saying "IRS" and "Lois Lerner". The other point is something people do when say a very outspoken TV Evangelist is found having say gay sex with a prostitute... everyone piles on taking jabs at the obvious hypocrisy of them, staining all with a broad brush, laughing and having a good old time and rightly so. That evangelist set himself up as something he was not, fell, and now is forever labeled as a fake, fraud and charlatan. Obama claimed transparency, claimed hundreds of wonderful things in 2007 and 2008 in that on/off minister voice he uses during speeches and reality shows he's the direct opposite. The difference is no dog pile - defenders continue to defend the most closed and non-transparent WH we've seen in recent history. Christie by contrast has been open, outspoken and transparent and has lived up to it. Every leaders has issues and crisis of some magnitude, it's the test of one's character to see how they handle it and if they survive it. A comparison between Christie and Obama is stark and obvious. If no further evidence damns Christie he will come out of this better than going in. I only hope Obama was taking notes during the press conference yesterday.

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Paperview said:

Yes, Christie knew Nut-tin! Nuttin! and, you know...he fired those responsible immediately - IMMEDIATELY!

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Show me the evidence he knew. You'll find no louder voice than mine calling for his head. Until then... Christie served up a leadership 101 course yesterday.

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rcart76 said:

Not sure where you lean, but I'm am calling bulls*** on many on the right. Any conservative who defends Christie on this and hammered Obama on the so called IRS scandal is full of it plan and simple.

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And conversely, anyone hammering Christie now while giving Obama a pass on the IRS issue is equally full of it.

I think both issues should be fully and openly investigated and those involved held accountable. Abuse of political power shouldn't be tolerated by anyone.

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rocket88 said:

True. It seems the Republican die-hards don't care because he's their guy. If he were a Dem, the only thing different about this thread would be the party affiliations of who's criticizing and who's deflecting.

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lol, hilarious coming from one of the main culprits from the "other" side

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rocket88 said:

We'll see what the truth really is when it comes out. IF it does.

For now,

it would seem that Christie himself was not personally involved, and he has fired the aide responsible

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. I can accept that, and in some ways I respect him a lot more for it.

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Yup.
And if there's evidence Christie lied then he'll be known as a lying schmuck deserving of contempt and ridicule.
That's on the Christie hand ... what about the Obama hand where there's already that evidence?

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Ockham said:

Well it's about contrasting Christie with what has happened that is similar - and the things that has happened which were similar occurred in the WH. It's also about obvious partisanship and hypocrisy. If someone foams at the mouth about Christie they should be equally foamy about Obama but we all know that's not happening. Therefore, it's very easy to dismiss the "noise" by Democrats simply by saying "IRS" and "Lois Lerner". The other point is something people do when say a very outspoken TV Evangelist is found having say gay sex with a prostitute... everyone piles on taking jabs at the obvious hypocrisy of them, staining all with a broad brush, laughing and having a good old time and rightly so. That evangelist set himself up as something he was not, fell, and now is forever labeled as a fake, fraud and charlatan. Obama claimed transparency, claimed hundreds of wonderful things in 2007 and 2008 in that on/off minister voice he uses during speeches and reality shows he's the direct opposite. The difference is no dog pile - defenders continue to defend the most closed and non-transparent WH we've seen in recent history. Christie by contrast has been open, outspoken and transparent and has lived up to it. Every leaders has issues and crisis of some magnitude, it's the test of one's character to see how they handle it and if they survive it. A comparison between Christie and Obama is stark and obvious. If no further evidence damns Christie he will come out of this better than going in. I only hope Obama was taking notes during the press conference yesterday.

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A TV evangelist who snorts meth off of a male hooker's erection deserves what he gets.

I wouldn't call Obama's administration less open and transparent than Bush or Clinton. Which is kind of damning with faint praise (Well, at least Kim Jong Un is no Stalin...). Obama claimed a number of things that didn't happen, which is what happens when you elect a politician.

I'll be the first to criticize Obama about the IRS thing, and in fact I WAS the first person on DP to do so. But, this thread is not about the IRS, or Obamacare, or how "transparent" the Obama administration is. Let me ask you, when Grim drops a thread about MSNBC, and liberals jump in talking about Fox, what do you think of that? Do you see the obvious comparisons between MSNBC and Fox? While I have been guilty of that myself, I'm labelled as "deflecting" when I am. What's the difference?