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Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109:573]

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reinoe said:
Which is what they're doing. Prove otherwise.
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Prove that they are.

Neither are provable. So this line isn't going anywhere.
 
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CalGun said:
It looks like Christies' conversion to modern elitist democrat is complete, please everyone encourage Chris Christie to run for president in 2016 on the democratic ticket for in almost every way he's just like hilda and should serve as good competition for her.
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I love how you kiss any chance of winning in 2016 goodbye so easily. It makes me realize that many Republicans don't even WANT to win the Whitehouse.
 
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rocket88 said:
Except that there is evidence that his advisors had something to do with it....I mean, I know you don't care because you'll be voting for him to be President in a couple of years, but still.

Obamacare, on the other hand, is irrelevant to this thread.
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Why because you support one and not the other, hypocrisy much?
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't know, the whole Clinton/Lewinsky thing got plenty of press, iirc.

We're back to what has often been true - you're not upset about bias, you're upset about which way it goes.

BTW, that bastion of Liberalness, Fox News, has this on the top of their website. But they don't pay any attention to Democrats on Fox. Nope, Obamacare's been such a non-story there. :lamo
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Fox New's goal is to elect the next president. They don't want Christie and are more than happy to take him down. The same goes for most of the Conservative media.

For what it's worth, not knowing about it or taking it seriously is kind of believable in this case because it's such a pointless act. Who shuts down a bridge to hurt a political appointment? It doesn't even make sense.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Exactly. The average voter will only remember that it was Christie who used his powers to create traffic gridlock. Just as the only thing the average voter can remember about Howard Dean is his ear piercing screech.
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If that is what you want to think, I guess you can. But most people really don't pay that much attention to politics and often have a short attention span for this stuff.

PS the "screech" happened during the primary and his campaign was already plagued by the fact he had absolutely no charisma....
 
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Mithros said:
Fox New's goal is to elect the next president. They don't want Christie and are more than happy to take him down. The same goes for most of the Conservative media.

For what it's worth, not knowing about it or taking it seriously is kind of believable in this case because it's such a pointless act. Who shuts down a bridge to hurt a political appointment? It doesn't even make sense.
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Actually, Roger Ailes loved Christie. And he made for nice ratings.

Fox was forced into reporting on the bridge thing - its been in the news for months.

Fox News Has Totally Ignored The Christie-Bridge Revelations
 
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Watching CC news conference. I believe him. Well, as much as a politician can be believed.

I respect him taking responsibility, albeit, in the same breath blame another party.

My best comments would be that he is eloquent, understandable, logical, seamingly honest, convincing and, above all, he is very capable of thinking on his feet answering questions as fast as the press corp., can throw them out there, all without a teleprompter.

Even in the hypothetical, worst case scenario of him having full knowledge and a participant of Bridgegate, I would STILL vote for him over any other republican and also over Hilda Clinton.

But he needs to end the news conference. It's been going on too long. Every word out of his mouth is potential opponent fodder. Playing the victim card, all the while taking "responsibility," can get old quick.
 
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I don't love or care about how a liberal thinks Republicans should win the white house. The liberal branch of the Republican party is pretty small - for a reason.

iguanaman said:
I love how you kiss any chance of winning in 2016 goodbye so easily. It makes me realize that many Republicans don't even WANT to win the Whitehouse.
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As a democrat, there are many reasons why I wouldnt mind if Christie actually did get into the White House, except for a big reason that he will turn off many republicans....he is anti-gun. At least, he has done nothing to reduce the gun restrictions in NJ....to me that is one nail in his piano-sized coffin on his journey to the WH.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It doesn't sound to me like they did much thinking of any sort, particularly about unintended consequences.

Were they Christie supporters? If so, didn't they think this would hurt his political career?
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I don't know. In this day and age, it's amazing to me how much is forgiven. But if I was a voter, in this case I would look for another candidate.
 
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Rocketman said:
Why because you support one and not the other, hypocrisy much?
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No, because the thread is about the actions of Chris Christie's aide, who probably had nothing to do with Obamacare.

Why are you bringing Obamacare into it? Deflect much?
 
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rocket88 said:
No, because the thread is about the actions of Chris Christie's aide, who probably had nothing to do with Obamacare.

Why are you bringing Obamacare into it? Deflect much?
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To support one and not the other is hypocrisy
 
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Rocketman said:
To support one and not the other is hypocrisy
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Why are you supporting one and not the other then?

I didn't realize that giving lukewarm support of a law meant that I had to support abuse of power. You can tell the difference, right?
 
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Here's a good article about the kerfuffle.

Chris Christie Is Shocked, Shocked To Find That Political Retribution Is Going On In Here - Business Insider

Hard to argue with this point:
Here’s what I don’t buy. Let’s stipulate that this hare-brained scheme was hatched by Christie’s staff and appointees without his knowledge. Therefore, he didn’t know about the lane closures or their motivations before Sept. 13, when Port Authority Executive Director Patrick Foye (a New York appointee) started complaining about them. There have been 117 intervening days, during which Christie accepted the resignations of two of his Port Authority appointees who are caught up in this scandal. I assume he and his top staff have had a lot of conversations during that time, trying to figure out exactly what happened in Fort Lee. Did his people really manage to keep him in the dark for that entire time such that he’s shocked today? If so, what does that say about his skills as a personnel manager?
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rocket88 said:
Why are you supporting one and not the other then?

I didn't realize that giving lukewarm support of a law meant that I had to support abuse of power. You can tell the difference, right?
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Both were abuses of power yet Obamacare is a much larger abuse, yet not even a whimper from you
 
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Rocketman said:
Both were abuses of power yet Obamacare is a much larger abuse, yet not even a whimper from you
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The thread isn't about Obamacare. Which was passed by Congress and ruled Constitutional by the Supreme Court, so calling it an abuse of power is dishonest. Not that I'd expect any more from you.

Why not a whimper from you about this?
 
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rcart76 said:
What was your take on the "IRS scandal"?
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That would be off-topic, but to compare the two would be ridiculous.

As for the topic of this thread, Christie fired the person responsible and apologized. It happened under his watch and he addressed it immediately and appropriately IMO. Too bad the Obama administration doesn't hold the same standards.
 
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rocket88 said:
The thread isn't about Obamacare. Which was passed by Congress and ruled Constitutional by the Supreme Court, so calling it an abuse of power is dishonest. Not that I'd expect any more from you.

Why not a whimper from you about this?
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SO has the supreme court ruled that Christie abused his power?:lamo
 
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Rocketman said:
SO has the supreme court ruled that Christie abused his power?:lamo
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The aide responsible was fired, which was an appropriate response from Christie.

Why nothing from you about this? Why do you support one and not the other?
 
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rocket88 said:
The aide responsible was fired, which was an appropriate response from Christie.

Why nothing from you about this? Why do you support one and not the other?
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it was very insigificant, 90% percent of people could care less about trivial stuff
 
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Rocketman said:
it was very insigificant, 90% percent of people could care less about trivial stuff
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So it's only significant if it's Democrats?

People couldn't get to work, and someone died. How much does it take for you to call it significant?
 
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RedAkston said:
That would be off-topic, but to compare the two would be ridiculous.

As for the topic of this thread, Christie fired the person responsible and apologized. It happened under his watch and he addressed it immediately and appropriately IMO. Too bad the Obama administration doesn't hold the same standards.
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my emphasis

I don't think our definitions of "immediately" agree. This has been a well known problem in New Jersey since September, two other Christie appointees involved resigned a month ago.

and today we have one of those who resigned refusing to answer questions before the State Assembly
At bridge scandal hearing, former Port Authority official pleads the Fifth, won't comment | NJ.com

TRENTON — Citing his right to plead the Fifth Amendment, David Wildstein has declined to answer questions today posed by a state Assembly committee investigating his role in the George Washington Bridge scandal.

Wildstein recently resigned as director of special capital projects at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey amid the controversy.

"Under the advice of counsel, I assert my right to remain silent," Wildstein told the Assembly's transportation committee at the Statehouse.

Assemblyman John Wisniewski (D-Middlesex), the committee's chairman, proceeded to ask him questions about e-mail exchanges with Bridget Anne Kelly, one of Gov. Chris Christie's top aides.

But Wildstein continued to plead the Fifth.

"Same answer, Mr. Chairman," he said repeatedly.

Wildstein ordered local access lanes to the George Washington Bridge in Fort Lee closed last September, sparking days of clogged traffic at the nation's busiest bridge.
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RedAkston said:
That would be off-topic, but to compare the two would be ridiculous.

As for the topic of this thread, Christie fired the person responsible and apologized. It happened under his watch and he addressed it immediately and appropriately IMO. Too bad the Obama administration doesn't hold the same standards.
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He addressed it immediately AFTER the emails became public, but I question whether or not he even had it investigated seriously.

As for Obama, that's offtopic and regardless of whether or not Obama holds a different standard is irreleveant to this case.
 
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Captain America said:
Watching CC news conference. I believe him. Well, as much as a politician can be believed.

I respect him taking responsibility, albeit, in the same breath blame another party.

My best comments would be that he is eloquent, understandable, logical, seamingly honest, convincing and, above all, he is very capable of thinking on his feet answering questions as fast as the press corp., can throw them out there, all without a teleprompter.

Even in the hypothetical, worst case scenario of him having full knowledge and a participant of Bridgegate, I would STILL vote for him over any other republican and also over Hilda Clinton.

But he needs to end the news conference. It's been going on too long. Every word out of his mouth is potential opponent fodder. Playing the victim card, all the while taking "responsibility," can get old quick.
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That's what I was hearing around the net as well. Further more, I believe that the subordinate involved has been fired.

eohrnberger said:
Interesting to note (but hardly surprising) that Christie, a moderate Republican, is held to these standards, and yet, Obama, is not.

Frankly, the BLSM is desperate to cover ANYTHING besides ObamaCare, and this is as good a distraction as any, and falls right in their political agenda with the meme 'Christie abuses government power'.

When it wasn't him to made the call, it was one of his subordinates.
When he didn't order it, it was the subordinates.

Already rumors are floating around that the subordinate is going to get chastised by Christie, probably even fired.

See? That's how accountability works. Something we've never seen from this president, nor his administration.

Who knows. Depending on how Christie handles this, it may very well elevate him in popular opinion above this president (presently at historic record lows).

No telling what the Biased Lame Stream Media will do to continue to flog the issue in accordance with the demands of their ideologically driven reporting.
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OK, so I got lucky and called this one right.
 
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