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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No newspaper ever represents the opinions of everyone, or ever could.

    But, you said we should listen to them, why? If they don't represent the sentiments of the people as a whole, what possible reason could you have for wanting to listen to what they have to say? Because you agree with it maybe?
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Oh look...



    "Gov. Chris Christie is seen with David Wildstein, in red tie, on Sept. 11, 2013, before a ceremony on the 12th anniversary of the 2001 World Trade Center attacks in Manhattan, in a photo obtained by The Wall Street Journal. Sept. 11 was the third day of the lane closures in Fort Lee, N.J. "

    Christie, Official Who Arranged Bridge Closures Were Together During Fiasco - Metropolis - WSJ

    Christie last week: “I have had no contact with David Wildstein in a long time, a long time ... I did not interact with David.

    uh oh.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    "Also present with Mr. Christie that day were Bill Baroni, the authority’s deputy executive director, who was helping Mr. Wildstein manage the fallout from the closures among local officials, subpoenaed documents show.

    Also there was David Samson, the Port Authority chairman and close Christie ally, who has said he didn’t learn of the lane closures and traffic in Fort Lee, N.J., until an email from a New York port official ordered the lane closures reversed. Messrs. Samson and Baroni didn’t respond to requests for comment."

    Christie, Official Who Arranged Bridge Closures Were Together During Fiasco - Metropolis - WSJ

    So while it was happening, many of the key players were right there with the Big Cahoona.

    But he ....din't know.

    CC gives his State of the State tonight. He'll be bringing up the bridge, no doubt.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But, you said we should listen to them, why? If they don't represent the sentiments of the people as a whole, what possible reason could you have for wanting to listen to what they have to say? Because you agree with it maybe?
    NOTHING can "represent the sentiments of the people as a whole". One of the positive aspects of the modern world, at least for some of us, is that those with different views can live right next door and we don't need to worry that their home will be burned down by radicals or that will be shunned at work and on the street simply because we disagree. Free speech, ya know.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But, you said we should listen to them, why? If they don't represent the sentiments of the people as a whole, what possible reason could you have for wanting to listen to what they have to say? Because you agree with it maybe?
    Do I want to believe that there is a culture of corruption and pay back in New Jersey? I really don't care, but it would appear that a local reporter would know better than I would.

    Let's see if there is something to say it's not so:

    Hmmm.. I don't know. I typed "political payback in new jersey" and got three pages of Christie and one reference to Hillary's enemies list.

    Do you think there is no culture of political payback in NJ?
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Egggcellent story here by a NJ insider journalist who was in tight with CC and many of the top players (and worked for Wildstein.)

    Really, really worth the read.

    WELL, THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY


    Brian Murphy – February 2, 2014, 8:28 AM EST4160

    Over Chinese food at the fabulous Lao Sze Chuan in Milford, Ct. I had the pleasure of reading Chris Christie’s 700-word-long attack on David Wildstein and the New York Times. This came moments after I opened a fortune cookie that advised me to “Enjoy yourself while you can.” (!)

    I am trying to summon the requisite mood to seriously ponder the implications of the email that Governor Christie apparently sent to supporters/donors/ Politico/Beltway Republicans (as if there’s any… never mind). But I can’t. I just can’t.

    It is hard for me to believe that the governor of an American state could author such a piece of risible juvenilia, except it is even harder for me to believe a paid communications professional could have been behind this. The “argument” Christie (or possibly one very very close longtime advisor) is making here is that David Wildstein is a bad guy.

    Why?


    Continue reading here: Well, That Escalated Quickly

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Egggcellent story here by a NJ insider journalist who was in tight with CC and many of the top players (and worked for Wildstein.)

    Really, really worth the read.

    WELL, THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY


    Brian Murphy – February 2, 2014, 8:28 AM EST4160

    Over Chinese food at the fabulous Lao Sze Chuan in Milford, Ct. I had the pleasure of reading Chris Christie’s 700-word-long attack on David Wildstein and the New York Times. This came moments after I opened a fortune cookie that advised me to “Enjoy yourself while you can.” (!)

    I am trying to summon the requisite mood to seriously ponder the implications of the email that Governor Christie apparently sent to supporters/donors/ Politico/Beltway Republicans (as if there’s any… never mind). But I can’t. I just can’t.

    It is hard for me to believe that the governor of an American state could author such a piece of risible juvenilia, except it is even harder for me to believe a paid communications professional could have been behind this. The “argument” Christie (or possibly one very very close longtime advisor) is making here is that David Wildstein is a bad guy.

    Why?


    Continue reading here: Well, That Escalated Quickly
    Interesting article and the email Christie sent out reeks of desperation

    And here we get to the heart of the matter. David Wildstein was put in the Port Authority by Chris Christie, in a job Christie invented, to be the governor’s eyes and ears – his enforcer. Wildstein was put at the Port so Christie could more effectively use the Port as an extension of his political operation (as Steve and I are documenting, more and more, with each passing week).

    So spare us the shock that Wildstein is “a political animal.” Christie knew who Wildstein was before he appointed him to this job. There is no sense in distancing yourself from one of your own appointees who was given a job specifically because his skills matched what you were looking to accomplish with that appointment.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Interesting article and the email Christie sent out reeks of desperation
    Agreed. It's absolute madness.

    High school level maturity. Literally.

    The Well, That Escalated Quickly piece I linked has to be some of the best writing on this story I have seen.

    I hope people here really take the time to read it.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    More from that article:

    "There is a legal process going on that may result in indictments and a political process in motion that may well lead to an impeachment. The risk premium on a Christie candidacy for president just went through the roof. This has been a very very bad week for the governor.

    It may be true that David Wildstein “will do and say anything to save David Wildstein.” But at this point the same can be said of Chris Christie.

    It was probably a good idea for the governor to hire that white-collar criminal defense lawyer from Manhattan.

    After all, we don’t know what was in the file boxes David Wildstein carried out of the Port Authority last year. He mentioned them in passing on Sept. 18, 2013 in an email to Bill Stepien.

    Why do we know that?

    Because it’s in the documents Wildstein provided to the legislature. Exhibit A. Page 642. An email sent at 5:30 a.m."

    Well, That Escalated Quickly

    Oh my.

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