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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    And nearly four months after -- till he finally fired someone.
    You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.
    It might be possible, if there was evidence showing he DID know.

    But unless that shows up, no way to prove any such thing.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    If they rise out of Chicago or NJ, too much of a risk.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.
    Early in the game, chum.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It might be possible, if there was evidence showing he DID know.

    But unless that shows up, no way to prove any such thing.
    Absolutely...And believe me, those from the Obama administration, to the same media types that have gone after Sara Palin for years to bring her down will crawl out from under their rocks to dig, twist, slander, and make **** up in order to do just that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview
    Early in the game, chum.
    No doubt. But I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying so far. He, unlike Obama is not known for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling like Obama is...
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    No doubt. But I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying so far. He, unlike Obama is not known for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling like Obama is...
    Here's a link to a long analysis of the Bridgegate situation - Anatomy of a Scandal: Why 'Bridgegate' Matters - NJ Spotlight
    Christie's history does provide evidence "for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling"



    just as an aside, Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words "Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

    You might wish to actually read de Tocqueville's work instead of relying on internet sites for your information, although the quickest way to access Democracy in America is thru an internet site.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    and yet more inquiries about Christie's way of doing stuff

    Feds investigating Christie's use of Sandy relief funds - CNN.com

    New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is facing questions over the use of Superstorm Sandy relief funds.
    CNN has learned that federal officials are investigating whether Christie improperly used those relief funds to produce tourism ads that starred him and his family.
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    In the new probe, federal auditors will examine New Jersey's use of $25 million in Sandy relief funds for a marketing campaign to promote tourism at the Jersey Shore after Sandy decimated the state's coastline in late 2012
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    Pallone wrote that he was concerned about the bidding process for the firm awarded the marketing plan; the winning firm is charging the state about $2 million more than the next lowest bidder. The winning $4.7 million bid featured Christie and his family in the advertisements while the losing $2.5 million proposal did not feature the Christies.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Here's a link to a long analysis of the Bridgegate situation - Anatomy of a Scandal: Why 'Bridgegate' Matters - NJ Spotlight
    Christie's history does provide evidence "for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling"
    OMG, are you serious? A 5 page article attacking Christie by a writer that obviously doesn't like Christie at all? I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying at this point. If it turns out that he is, or that he did know that this was going on when it happened, then I'll change my opinion, until then all you have is smear, by people that have an interest in making sure he gets smeared.

    just as an aside, Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words "Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

    You might wish to actually read de Tocqueville's work instead of relying on internet sites for your information, although the quickest way to access Democracy in America is thru an internet site.
    Man, that must really bug you....It is at least the second time you have commented on my sig....Maybe you'd prefer this one....

    "Socialism is a new form of slavery." Or this one...."As for me, I am deeply a democrat; this is why I am in no way a socialist. Democracy and socialism cannot go together. You can't have it both ways."

    Or even better yet, maybe you'd appreciate this one....

    "Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith."

    Where does your faith lie?

    BTW....the rest of that quote goes as such...

    ..."The subjection of individuals will increase amongst democratic nations, not only in the same proportion as their equality, but in the same proportion as their ignorance.
    Read more at Slavery Quotes

    de Tocqueville was no fan of Socialism, nor was he a fan of unchecked Capitalism, but for you a Socialist, to declare so repeatedly that the quote doesn't exist, is just more trying to undermine things you don't agree with...A true Socialist trait.

    Get over it...the sig remains.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    OK - totally off topic but when you post your quote mines and refuse to accept that de Tocqueville did not write your sig line, I have to wonder why

    Your first two quotes are de Tocqueville's words

    a true quote "Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith." but a fine example of quote mining. The full paragraph from which these words are taken with my emphasis added
    [I]By the side of these religious men I discern others whose looks are turned to the earth more than to Heaven; they are the partisans of liberty, not only as the source of the noblest virtues, but more especially as the root of all solid advantages; and they sincerely desire to extend its sway, and to impart its blessings to mankind. It is natural that they should hasten to invoke the assistance of religion, for they must know that liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith; but they have seen religion in the ranks of their adversaries, and they inquire no further; some of them attack it openly, and the remainder are afraid to defend it.[/I]

    a bit from de Tocqueville, a few years after his visit to America
    As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?

    Your source Slavery Quotes is making up the quotes they post, some are real, some are fake and some are quote mines plus mixing together words the gentleman wrote but in different books.

    Here's a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville that is seldom noted by Americans who value some of his words
    I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.




    But - No mas! Enough diversion from the topic of the thread
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    OK - totally off topic but when you post your quote mines and refuse to accept that de Tocqueville did not write your sig line, I have to wonder why

    Your first two quotes are de Tocqueville's words

    a true quote "Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith." but a fine example of quote mining. The full paragraph from which these words are taken with my emphasis added
    [I]By the side of these religious men I discern others whose looks are turned to the earth more than to Heaven; they are the partisans of liberty, not only as the source of the noblest virtues, but more especially as the root of all solid advantages; and they sincerely desire to extend its sway, and to impart its blessings to mankind. It is natural that they should hasten to invoke the assistance of religion, for they must know that liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith; but they have seen religion in the ranks of their adversaries, and they inquire no further; some of them attack it openly, and the remainder are afraid to defend it.[/I]

    a bit from de Tocqueville, a few years after his visit to America
    As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?

    Your source Slavery Quotes is making up the quotes they post, some are real, some are fake and some are quote mines plus mixing together words the gentleman wrote but in different books.

    Here's a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville that is seldom noted by Americans who value some of his words
    I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.




    But - No mas! Enough diversion from the topic of the thread
    Ha, enough of YOUR diversion indeed. As for it being "My" source, you are wrong. It is "A" source. I didn't write, own it, or develop it...So no, it is not "My" source....It might help if you properly used the English language when trying to appear intellectually superior to someone else....
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

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