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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

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    Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.
    Just more lefty agit-prop.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

    *snip*

    Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.
    Thing is, if this were a democrat, that list would apply to them as well.

    Don't kid yourself about how these things work - if politics are involved, context and reality are meaningless.

    As for the list...

    Point 1 may be accurate, but is an assumption.
    Point 2 is what a political hack would do.
    Point 3 is also what a political hack would do, but with bit more truth supporting it - after all, this bridge thing IS distracting us from more important matters.
    Point 4 is a combo of political hackishness and/or actual belief that the press conference was great Maybe that's the same thing?
    Point 5 is political hackery, attempting to distract from the crisis your guy is in by pointing out the flaws in another player. In this case there is something to point out though, IMO. I'm curious about "Benghazi!" myself.


    Now, if this were, for example, Hillery Clinton, who was in a scandal, perhaps over...heh...Benghazi...

    You could make up a nearly identical list, but with slight changes:
    Don't! But if you have to...
    Attack (insert political opponents here) for some reason.
    Call the Benghazi scandal is a distraction
    Rave about how great the (insert response/press event/whatever) was.
    Main opponent's scandal!

    Thing is, this is ALL bull****. Or most of it. 95% or more of the news these days is pointless blather just to get ratings or whatever.
    Or to attack a given political figure, which gets ratings.

    No one really looks at the core issues we face.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    IF enough people could be convinced of this or similar views, perhaps we would get more votes for independent and 3rd-party candidates.

    I know it happens far more often at the local and even state levels of government - probably because of the smaller numbers that need convinced.

    But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
    I worked for Perot on both his campaigns back in 1992 and 96. If he was independently wealthy he would never have been able to get on all the states ballots. I have no idea how much he paid a stable full of lawyers to challenge election laws written for the explicit purpose of keeping third parties off the ballot. The came political advertising. With money rolling in to the two major parties from special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street etc. none came Perot's way. He had to basically pay out of his pocket for any political ads. It was one very steep hill to climb. The one good thing is the presidential debates were run by the League of Woman's voters back then. They allowed Perot into them. But the two major parties didn't like that and immediately took the presidential debates away from the League. Now it is run as a bipartisan debate commission. That means no third party candidate will ever appear in them again.

    No, the two major parties have made sure they will never be challenged.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I worked for Perot on both his campaigns back in 1992 and 96. If he was independently wealthy he would never have been able to get on all the states ballots. I have no idea how much he paid a stable full of lawyers to challenge election laws written for the explicit purpose of keeping third parties off the ballot. The came political advertising. With money rolling in to the two major parties from special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street etc. none came Perot's way. He had to basically pay out of his pocket for any political ads. It was one very steep hill to climb. The one good thing is the presidential debates were run by the League of Woman's voters back then. They allowed Perot into them. But the two major parties didn't like that and immediately took the presidential debates away from the League. Now it is run as a bipartisan debate commission. That means no third party candidate will ever appear in them again.

    No, the two major parties have made sure they will never be challenged.
    I can understand some rules, to prevent the ballot from being filled with tens and probably hundreds of candidates.

    But as I understand it, most states have election laws/rules that are far too strict. Requiring a ridiculously high number of people signing a petition, for example.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

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    Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.
    Media Matters? Yea, as if they had anything unbiased to add to any conversation.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I can understand some rules, to prevent the ballot from being filled with tens and probably hundreds of candidates.

    But as I understand it, most states have election laws/rules that are far too strict. Requiring a ridiculously high number of people signing a petition, for example.
    Exactly and each state has a different beginning or start time and an ending time. Some only allow a couple of weeks while other allow much longer. Some of the deadlines begin as early as January of the election year and others as late as August. What you are dealing with is 50 different sets of laws as to what is needed and when. It is one huge mess. There were even a couple of states where the only names on the petitions they would accept is those who were registered as independents.

    But keep in mind, no Republican or Democrat has to go through this. They are automatically on the ballot. That is one advantage of being able to write the election laws to suit your own party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Thing is, if this were a democrat, that list would apply to them as well.

    Don't kid yourself about how these things work - if politics are involved, context and reality are meaningless.

    <snip>

    No one really looks at the core issues we face.
    I can basically agree with what you have posted with the exception of the last sentence - I think there are those who do examine core issues, unfortunately they seldom are granted access to the podiums, pulpits and megaphones used by those on the inside - the Villagers as they are known.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I can basically agree with what you have posted with the exception of the last sentence - I think there are those who do examine core issues, unfortunately they seldom are granted access to the podiums, pulpits and megaphones used by those on the inside - the Villagers as they are known.
    I overstated - as you say, people do examine core issues, and some of them do speak out on them.

    At the time, I was thinking how news coverage of nearly any random event, often nearly meaningless, seems to trump any kind of actual investigating or examining of things.

    And we seem to just follow along.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I overstated - as you say, people do examine core issues, and some of them do speak out on them.

    At the time, I was thinking how news coverage of nearly any random event, often nearly meaningless, seems to trump any kind of actual investigating or examining of things.

    And we seem to just follow along.

    Our problem, the nation's problem remains the reality which says some of the most thoughtful analyses of the country's problems is never heard by the majority of the population
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Our problem, the nation's problem remains the reality which says some of the most thoughtful analyses of the country's problems is never heard by the majority of the population
    Not all agree on what the problems are.
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