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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes. Still do.
    The economy ... 5 million tossed off healthcare plans ... 70 million more to come ... scandals up the wahzoo ....... that would have been the same?
    Please don't make me lose respect for ya rocket.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The economy ... 5 million tossed off healthcare plans ... 70 million more to come ... scandals up the wahzoo ....... that would have been the same?
    Please don't make me lose respect for ya rocket.
    Economy would still be about the same. Mitt didn't have any magical pixie dust to sprinkle on it. No way he would have gotten rid of Romneycare. Some of the scandals might be different, but there's always scandals.


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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Yeah, was just basing it off the scanning of the emails. Like I said, they were a mess.
    Something that I heard Christie say in a local interview was when he was asked to show anything that indicates that a traffic study was being done and he said he wouldn't show anything because it wouldn't matter. That there makes it kind of look like he was in on the lie somewhat.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Economy would still be about the same.
    Mitt didn't have any magical pixie dust to sprinkle on it. No way he would have gotten rid of Romneycare. Some of the scandals might be different, but there's always scandals.
    Thats the best you can do ?

    Make assumptions ? Romney Care was a State iniative, not a Federal inaitive.

    He wouldn't have had to worry about covering his ass when ObamaCare caused more and more misery and joblesness.

    It could have fixed it, gotten rid of it, whatever.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Economy would still be about the same. Mitt didn't have any magical pixie dust to sprinkle on it. No way he would have gotten rid of Romneycare. Some of the scandals might be different, but there's always scandals.
    Oh man ... are we ever far apart on this.
    How you or anyone else could ever imagine a Romney (or even a McCain) Administration would look like this one will forever be a mystery.
    It just ain't possible, my friend.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I think that's the official story of the Republican party but its not the truth. The tea party crew have been beaten back a bit, even publicly with Boehner. The GOP will give lip service and denigrate RINO's here and there but they want a more moderate Republican like Romney to run. Its the same story every election... A lot of Republicans want the most conservative person in the room but the country will not elect them so they have to go with a "RINO" while conservatives moan about it, "if only we elected a real Conservative we'd win". I see no reason why history won't repeat itself, especially after the weakening of the tea party wing.

    Ted Cruz is far, far, far too polarizing. He will make a lot of noise, possibly be in 2nd in the polls for a week and be brushed off to the side near the mid to end of the primaries as a joke. I can almost imagine Rand going far but... its really shaky. If he were to moderate himself and sound more reasonable without losing too much of libertarian / tea party appeal he could do it but I have my doubts.

    Christie is their best chance by far as long as he can squeak out of this without any damning evidence cropping up. He can fight and win people over in debates with his tough guy no nonsense personality.
    As of today, yes it looks like Christie is the best choice and has a realistic chance to win. But with almost 3 years to go before the election and 2 years before the primary season begins in earnest, who really know what will happen. What events that will take place, what issues will come to the forefront and become important.

    Christie's appeal may fade if someone like Kasich, present governor of Ohio, Pence present governor of Indiana or Daniels the former governor of Indiana throws their hat into the ring. There are others that may jump to the lead of the list if they become interested and announce they are running. Christie is the media's darling among Republicans especially after Hurricane Sandy. Christie show the world he put the people of New Jersey ahead of party politics and the media has promoted him ever since.

    You want the name of someone who may just beat out Christie if he falters. Mike Huckabee the former governor of Arkansas. Among Republicans his favorables are far better than Christie 65-47%. That right only 47% of Republicans look upon Christie in a favorable manner. Huckabee is the only other Republican that leads Clinton among independent voters besides Christie. Huckabee would win independent voters 41-37 over Hillary in the hypothetical match up.

    You may think me crazy to even mention his name, but I have a feeling Huckabee right now may be the establishment Republicans number two choice behind Christie. Just beware of him. Huckabee hasn't really shown any interest as to date. But it is still early.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Oh man ... are we ever far apart on this.
    How you or anyone else could ever imagine a Romney (or even a McCain) Administration would look like this one will forever be a mystery.
    It just ain't possible, my friend.
    No need to speculate, here's what a Romney Presidency would have looked liked.
    Romney Readiness Project: Retrospective & Lessons Learned: Christopher Liddell, Daniel Kroese, Clark Campbell: 9780615799865: Amazon.com: Books

    Because the thing we need to fix the country is a new mission statement. Politics aside, a Romney presidency would have been a managerial disaster. Obama certainly has his failings, but at least he knows his limitations. Romney thought that managing a hedge fund was equivalent to being President.

    Anyone who's ever worked for a large company knows people like Romney. They come in to a profitable company, talk a lot of BS, make superficial changes, gut all investments in the future, cut jobs, double everyone’s workload, make short term profits, and then preen about like they're some financial genius. Basically, they're leaches that don't have any idea what it's like to actually build a business, make a real product, or create a real idea. The GOP should consider itself lucky that Romney wasn't elected.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, you're right. Time will tell, and we don't know what issues might be hot in '16. However, one thing that seems likely at this point is that:
    any moderate Republican, read "electable", like Christie will have to play to the right wing to be nominated, like Romney did.
    then, said moderate Republican will have to move, or appear to move, more into the mainstream, like Romney.
    Then, said candidate will be called a flip flopper, like, well, you know.
    And being a flip flopper is going to make it more difficult to get elected.
    That is the way it is, all republican candidate must move right in the primaries and then toward the middle for the general. This also happens to the democrats, they too have to move left in their primaries and then toward the middle for the general. But when your party has a sitting president running for a second term, especially if unchallenged, there is no tacking left needed as Obama proved in 2012.

    Flip flopping wasn't really what Romney did in the general election. He did that back in 2008. He discarded a life long political views and stances to run in 2008. He did a 180 on many of his positions. It didn't help him in 2008, it hurt him. That carried over to 2012. For something like a flip flopper to really stick, there has to be substance to it. More substance than just tacking right for the primaries and then back toward the center for the general. For Romney it was changing his whole political philosophy back in 2008 and being a flip flopper stuck like glue to him. He was never able to over come that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is the way it is, all republican candidate must move right in the primaries and then toward the middle for the general. This also happens to the democrats, they too have to move left in their primaries and then toward the middle for the general. But when your party has a sitting president running for a second term, especially if unchallenged, there is no tacking left needed as Obama proved in 2012.

    Flip flopping wasn't really what Romney did in the general election. He did that back in 2008. He discarded a life long political views and stances to run in 2008. He did a 180 on many of his positions. It didn't help him in 2008, it hurt him. That carried over to 2012. For something like a flip flopper to really stick, there has to be substance to it. More substance than just tacking right for the primaries and then back toward the center for the general. For Romney it was changing his whole political philosophy back in 2008 and being a flip flopper stuck like glue to him. He was never able to over come that.
    I agree but would add that one of the reasons why he lost was that he didn't slide back to the middle after winning the GOP primaries. Instead he continued to be a champion of the right (maybe as compensation for his appearance as a flip-flopper) until the debates. By that time, the public's perception of him had been set in stone.
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