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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    A friend of mine (Chaparuso) made this post on another board. He has given me permission to use it.

    I think it makes some excellent points and want to share:

    The strength of his denial while knowing two of his top staff may face prosecution (and will almost certainly take a plea deal if so) is the only thing that makes me think he may not have been personally involved. But, for that to be the case, you must also believe that Christie:

    - Didn't look into why there was a traffic study that screwed up the world's busiest bridge for 4 days straight
    - Didn't know about 4 days of phone calls from the Mayor of Ft. Lee to his office and his staffers that were not returned
    - Didn't hear about the rumors circulating right after this happened
    - Didn't know about the pending investigation, the subpoenas issued to his deputy chief of staff and political friends at the Port Authority
    - Didn't sense anything was amiss with the abrupt resignation of some of the parties involved

    In addition, you have to believe the above while at the same time knowing that the people who did this were in the inner circle of his hand-picked administration, with at least on of which being a close, long time friend.

    If you can believe aaaaaaaall of the above, then this demonstrates an overwhelming display of incompetence. OR a handful of Christie's closest staff (including a longtime friend) conspired to engage in a stunning display of abuse of power while hiding this from Christie the entire time.

    There's a point where this just becomes improbable. Regardless, we'll get the full story once Kelly and Wildstein get an earful from their defense attorneys on the amount of jail time they'll face if they try to give the investigators anything less than the full truth. For Christie's sake, I hope he's right.
    Plus he made this comment about Ft. Lee and it's supposed "3 dedicated lanes".

    Christie said he had no involvement with that decision-making. “I didn’t even know that Fort Lee had three dedicated lanes,’’ he said.

    However, he is urging the Authority now to review the whole situation. “The fact that one town has three lanes dedicated to it, that kind of gets me sauced,’’ Christie said.
    Read more at Christie: Fort Lee's dedicated lanes should be reviewed | Politicker NJ
    or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at Get Started | Politicker NJ

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and none of the candidates, or potential candidates that the right wing would support are in any way electable.

    So, let's prepare for another Democrat in the White House in '16. Let's hope they can choose a better candidate this time around.
    Timing is everything when it comes to elections. No one know what events, happenings, issue will be hot in 2016 this far out. Clinton has name recognition and her flaws are well known. Her favorable/unfavorable ratings are almost even 47/45 and I suspect they will not change much as she is a known quantity. Christie, Paul, Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rubio etc are not so well known. Christie has gotten a lot of play and his favorable/unfavorable is at 43/31 but that leave 26% who don't know/unsure or haven't made up their mind about him. All the rest have the unsure/don't know percentages in the 30's or above leaving a lot of wiggle room although all the rest are in the negative by 10 points or more.

    So we wait and see what happens, time will tell if any really become viable outside of Christie.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, more than it warrants. You are acting like this was the first ever traffic snarl on the GW bridge... Situations like this happen every day, twice a day....Hell, I think that there is heavy traffic on that bridge even on a Sunday at 3 am. *Breaking News* --- GW bridge has traffic jams....again...details never.



    Over exaggerate much? But, talk about a 'stonewall'.....



    No, talk all you want...But talk knowing what hypocrites y'all look like when all we hear about when we bring up Obama's corrupt administration is how "phony" the scandals are....



    Someone needs to get you a mirror quickly Mr. Malloy.....
    Omg... you are suggesting this was just a routine traffic jam and nothing more? You're so partisan you can't even see straight. I see no point in conversing with you whatsoever if you're that far gone.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Plus he made this comment about Ft. Lee and it's supposed "3 dedicated lanes".


    Read more at Christie: Fort Lee's dedicated lanes should be reviewed | Politicker NJ
    or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at Get Started | Politicker NJ
    Look at this Politifact story (from December)
    The Truth-O-Meter Says:
    "The fact that one town has three lanes dedicated to it, that kind of gets me sauced."

    Chris Christie on Monday, December 2nd, 2013 in response to subpoenas being sent out over a bridge lane-closure controversy.



    http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey...washington-br/

    <small snip> "Since neither Christie’s spokespeople, Port Authority spokespeople or even the Fort Lee Police Department would respond to requests for comment on the matter, the Truth-O-Meter went on the road last week to check out the local access lanes."

    Radio Silence. <cough>



    CC was getting hammered back then...40 days ago -- for some of the things said about it...and , of course, he din't know nuthin' about bout birthin them baybees.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
    Whether Christie knew or didn't is really irrelevant. The idea the atmosphere/culture of hardball politics allowed in his office is obivious. His top aides obviously felt very comfortable that they could play the bully and do such a thing without repercussion. And what they did didn't hurt the mayor but caused grief to the people. This thing of claiming "I didn't know" seems to be catching on these days. We have a president who uses the excuse frequently. I know the GOP has high hopes for Christie and have already invested a good amount in him. The talking heads especially on Fox have been working overtime with damage control calling Christie an exemplary example of leadership on how he has handled this situation. Sorry, I don't see it.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not think it is the right-wing machine that will even try to spin it away. The right wing do not want Christie as their nominee, they consider him a RINO. The Republican establishment may give him some cover is there is any there, there. But not the right wing. They already blame Christie for him embrace of President Obama during the final days of the election, for Christie trying to help the people of his state in recovering from hurricane Sandy. The right wing will use this against him.

    According to RCP, only 18% of all Republicans want him as their nominee in 2016. Most Republicans are looking at Rand Paul or Cruz. Believe me, the right wing wants nothing to do with Christie. They are probably digging for more dirt on him than any Democrat. The right wings fears him more than the Democrats even.
    I think that's the official story of the Republican party but its not the truth. The tea party crew have been beaten back a bit, even publicly with Boehner. The GOP will give lip service and denigrate RINO's here and there but they want a more moderate Republican like Romney to run. Its the same story every election... A lot of Republicans want the most conservative person in the room but the country will not elect them so they have to go with a "RINO" while conservatives moan about it, "if only we elected a real Conservative we'd win". I see no reason why history won't repeat itself, especially after the weakening of the tea party wing.

    Ted Cruz is far, far, far too polarizing. He will make a lot of noise, possibly be in 2nd in the polls for a week and be brushed off to the side near the mid to end of the primaries as a joke. I can almost imagine Rand going far but... its really shaky. If he were to moderate himself and sound more reasonable without losing too much of libertarian / tea party appeal he could do it but I have my doubts.

    Christie is their best chance by far as long as he can squeak out of this without any damning evidence cropping up. He can fight and win people over in debates with his tough guy no nonsense personality.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Timing is everything when it comes to elections. No one know what events, happenings, issue will be hot in 2016 this far out. Clinton has name recognition and her flaws are well known. Her favorable/unfavorable ratings are almost even 47/45 and I suspect they will not change much as she is a known quantity. Christie, Paul, Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rubio etc are not so well known. Christie has gotten a lot of play and his favorable/unfavorable is at 43/31 but that leave 26% who don't know/unsure or haven't made up their mind about him. All the rest have the unsure/don't know percentages in the 30's or above leaving a lot of wiggle room although all the rest are in the negative by 10 points or more.

    So we wait and see what happens, time will tell if any really become viable outside of Christie.
    Yes, you're right. Time will tell, and we don't know what issues might be hot in '16. However, one thing that seems likely at this point is that:
    any moderate Republican, read "electable", like Christie will have to play to the right wing to be nominated, like Romney did.
    then, said moderate Republican will have to move, or appear to move, more into the mainstream, like Romney.
    Then, said candidate will be called a flip flopper, like, well, you know.
    And being a flip flopper is going to make it more difficult to get elected.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    LOL.

    Liberals elect a band of near mafia-like Chicago politicans to the White House, then get all twisted in knots over a traffic jam on a bridge that might indicate a heavy-handed act on behalf of the governor.

    Guess that Gates book about Obama/Hillary really struck a nerve. THAT should be the big story of the month, but it's a mere blurb. Inconvenient traffic trumps admittedly politicized war surges.

    I don't even like Christie, but the shamelessness of the MSM and liberals is truly pathetic. If only they'd take one of those 4 million jobs available that they refuse to work, there'd be less time to make a mountain out of this relative molehill.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Timing is everything when it comes to elections. No one know what events, happenings, issue will be hot in 2016 this far out. Clinton has name recognition and her flaws are well known. Her favorable/unfavorable ratings are almost even 47/45 and I suspect they will not change much as she is a known quantity. Christie, Paul, Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rubio etc are not so well known. Christie has gotten a lot of play and his favorable/unfavorable is at 43/31 but that leave 26% who don't know/unsure or haven't made up their mind about him. All the rest have the unsure/don't know percentages in the 30's or above leaving a lot of wiggle room although all the rest are in the negative by 10 points or more.

    So we wait and see what happens, time will tell if any really become viable outside of Christie.
    Good morning, Pero.

    : on possible candidates. I think a lot will depend on the 2014 election outcome.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps that's valid for some. Others want a little more evidence before condemning.
    I haven't actually condemned Christie himself because there's no evidence that he was involved. He fired the aide that was, which I think was a completely appropriate response from him. If anything comes up that shows he was involved, I might change my tune on that. So far, no problems with his own actions or his handling of the situation.



    It would only be disingenuous if a.) you knew how I actually voted and didn't assume and b.) if you knew I accepted it with Bush but not with Obama. Fact is, I didn't vote for Obama either time, I did vote for Bush twice so you're right on one account, however in my defense with Bush - voting in Al Gore or Kerry? Comon... can you really blame me? Lastly, Obama's governance is either DOA or MIA... there is no governance. He doesn't talk to his own party unless he needs something from them. I can go on criticizing for hours but I will spare you - suffice to say if Obama did what Christie did yesterday during the IRS scandal, he'd have much more support and begrudging appreciation from Republicans. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton - still think his man-whore escapades are an embarrassment to the Presidency but he did pretty good for the American people overall. Frankly, I wish he (not Hillary) could run again.
    I don't really blame you for voting Bush instead of either of the cardboard cutouts he ran against. Though I did vote for the cutouts. I voted for Obama in '08, but not in '12. Obama could definitely take some pointers from Christie about how to handle these things.

    Criticism of a public figure opens up comparison especially to those that deserve the comparison. I only wish the press would turn their keen eye on Obama's last 2 years as they have on Christie's last 48 hours. That however, we all know will not happen.
    I'm not worried about the press. There is conservative press out there that will be more than happy to shine on a spotlight on Obama's failings. Even a legitimate conservative press like Fox, or National Review, maybe even the Blaze (not Breitbart, or Glenn Beck's blogs)


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