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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    There WAS NO Traffic Study. That was made clear. He KNEW it. He had to.
    How did he have to know it?

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    I don't understand your second statement. Did you click the link from December 12th I linked? Christie himself made it clear he wanted Cuomo to call off the dogs. It's baffling why he would do that, will you at least admit that?
    No where in the article is there a passage identifying Christie called off any "dogs". Perhaps you can point out what you're talking about.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Its pretty obvious to anyone who isn't wrapped in a tortilla of denial or bias. It is eye rolling silly but because Christie is a big deal we need concrete proof or else the right-wing bs machine will spin it away without fail.
    I do not think it is the right-wing machine that will even try to spin it away. The right wing do not want Christie as their nominee, they consider him a RINO. The Republican establishment may give him some cover is there is any there, there. But not the right wing. They already blame Christie for him embrace of President Obama during the final days of the election, for Christie trying to help the people of his state in recovering from hurricane Sandy. The right wing will use this against him.

    According to RCP, only 18% of all Republicans want him as their nominee in 2016. Most Republicans are looking at Rand Paul or Cruz. Believe me, the right wing wants nothing to do with Christie. They are probably digging for more dirt on him than any Democrat. The right wings fears him more than the Democrats even.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    We are not talking about just any staff member but the deputy chief of staff and two of his top executives at the Port Authority. The relationship between a governor and a deputy chief of staff is one of the closet relationships in the office of the governor.
    Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    He responds (satire):

    My Fellow Americans, Look At Me: Do I Look Like A Corrupt, Vengeful Bully? | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

    This is might as well be true:

    “Man, this guy wants to be President of the United States and he can’t even conceal an act of corruption this rinky-dink and run-of-the-mill from voters? It’s crazy,” Newark resident Carolyn Baum said in agreement with millions of stunned Americans, adding that she holds potential presidential candidates to much higher standards of subterfuge and graft. “I mean, this is a total softball. If he can’t even bully one little small-town mayor into submission by oppressing his constituents and get away with it, how can we reasonably believe he’s politically skilled enough to cover up national scandals like orchestrating a foreign war, illegally colluding with big business, or violating the civil liberties of millions of Americans? It’s a little scary, to be honest.” At press time, many Americans reported their faith in Christie’s presidential qualifications was somewhat restored after he released a series of statements pinning the blame on others and throwing top aides under the bus.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How did he have to know it?

    His hand picked guy at the PA had resigned the week earlier --- and the investigation that caused that resignation *showed* there was no "traffic study." You notice how no one has produced any "traffic study?" His guy was forced to RESIGN. No red flags? Yes, he had to know.

    No where in the article is there a passage identifying Christie called off any "dogs". Perhaps you can point out what you're talking about.
    You will have to accept the source. As it turned out -- his actions showed quite plainly he wanted the dogs called off, and even mocked people who asked about it. If he really cared, wouldn't he have asked for more sunshine? That, he most certainly didn't.

    He wanted it OFF the radar screen. He didn't care about the answers. Didn't care about his constituents.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not think it is the right-wing machine that will even try to spin it away. The right wing do not want Christie as their nominee, they consider him a RINO. The Republican establishment may give him some cover is there is any there, there. But not the right wing. They already blame Christie for him embrace of President Obama during the final days of the election, for Christie trying to help the people of his state in recovering from hurricane Sandy. The right wing will use this against him.

    According to RCP, only 18% of all Republicans want him as their nominee in 2016. Most Republicans are looking at Rand Paul or Cruz. Believe me, the right wing wants nothing to do with Christie. They are probably digging for more dirt on him than any Democrat. The right wings fears him more than the Democrats even.
    and none of the candidates, or potential candidates that the right wing would support are in any way electable.

    So, let's prepare for another Democrat in the White House in '16. Let's hope they can choose a better candidate this time around.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Then a crazy guy who gets all excited about Jesus on TV gets away. It doesn't matter in the end. I know what you're getting at, but those downplaying this episode are advocating exactly that because Christie's a Republican.
    Perhaps that's valid for some. Others want a little more evidence before condemning.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And usually we have a great laugh at that politician's expense and he goes on to get re-elected anyway. I love a good Weiner joke, just as I like a good Larry Craig joke. I shed no tears over either of them getting what they got.
    Except when they DON'T get what they deserve...

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think it's kind of disingenuous when you're criticizing him for governing pretty much like the guy you voted for had for the previous 8 years.
    It would only be disingenuous if a.) you knew how I actually voted and didn't assume and b.) if you knew I accepted it with Bush but not with Obama. Fact is, I didn't vote for Obama either time, I did vote for Bush twice so you're right on one account, however in my defense with Bush - voting in Al Gore or Kerry? Comon... can you really blame me? Lastly, Obama's governance is either DOA or MIA... there is no governance. He doesn't talk to his own party unless he needs something from them. I can go on criticizing for hours but I will spare you - suffice to say if Obama did what Christie did yesterday during the IRS scandal, he'd have much more support and begrudging appreciation from Republicans. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton - still think his man-whore escapades are an embarrassment to the Presidency but he did pretty good for the American people overall. Frankly, I wish he (not Hillary) could run again.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, but it's just trying to deflect attention back to the "dark side."
    Criticism of a public figure opens up comparison especially to those that deserve the comparison. I only wish the press would turn their keen eye on Obama's last 2 years as they have on Christie's last 48 hours. That however, we all know will not happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    MSNBC tows the line for Democrats, just as Fox does for Republicans. But if it's fair here, then it's fair there.
    Ok.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    A friend of mine (Chaparuso) made this post on another board. He has given me permission to use it.

    I think it makes some excellent points and want to share:

    The strength of his denial while knowing two of his top staff may face prosecution (and will almost certainly take a plea deal if so) is the only thing that makes me think he may not have been personally involved. But, for that to be the case, you must also believe that Christie:

    - Didn't look into why there was a traffic study that screwed up the world's busiest bridge for 4 days straight
    - Didn't know about 4 days of phone calls from the Mayor of Ft. Lee to his office and his staffers that were not returned
    - Didn't hear about the rumors circulating right after this happened
    - Didn't know about the pending investigation, the subpoenas issued to his deputy chief of staff and political friends at the Port Authority
    - Didn't sense anything was amiss with the abrupt resignation of some of the parties involved

    In addition, you have to believe the above while at the same time knowing that the people who did this were in the inner circle of his hand-picked administration, with at least on of which being a close, long time friend.

    If you can believe aaaaaaaall of the above, then this demonstrates an overwhelming display of incompetence. OR a handful of Christie's closest staff (including a longtime friend) conspired to engage in a stunning display of abuse of power while hiding this from Christie the entire time.

    There's a point where this just becomes improbable. Regardless, we'll get the full story once Kelly and Wildstein get an earful from their defense attorneys on the amount of jail time they'll face if they try to give the investigators anything less than the full truth. For Christie's sake, I hope he's right.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
    Blindsided by the revelation but not interested in investigating into it either.

    I don't know whether he's guilty or not, but it certainly looks bad.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    His hand picked guy at the PA had resigned the week earlier --- and the investigation that caused that resignation *showed* there was no "traffic study." You notice how no one has produced any "traffic study?" His guy was forced to RESIGN. No red flags? Yes, he had to know.
    Who forced him? See the more allegations you make, the more I'm going to call for evidence. Who forced him? When? What was the reason? How does his resignation ("forced" is unfounded) prove anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You will have to accept the source. As it turned out -- his actions showed quite plainly he wanted the dogs called off, and even mocked people who asked about it. If he really cared, wouldn't he have asked for more sunshine? That, he most certainly didn't.
    No where in the article does your allegation exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    He wanted it OFF the radar screen. He didn't care about the answers. Didn't care about his constituents.
    Where does it say he wants it off the radar screen? Where does it say he didn't care about the answers or constituents? I saw 2 hours of a press interview saying the direct opposite. If you want to just blather on about your bias at least do so armed with facts. What you sound like to me is a very partisan individual who doesn't like Christie and found an outlet on this forum to grind your axe and make unfounded fact-less claims.

    I'll say it for a third time: If there is evidence and fact to that backs up your claims, I'll stand right with you calling for his head. Otherwise, it sounds like petty partisanship.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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