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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Seeing you don't want to touch it, can you at least give a slight indication why Chrisite would want to call off the dogs on looking into the matter in the early days of December?

    Can you answer that one?
    No one can answer why he stonewalled the issue for months, even going so far as to ridicule reporters that dared ask about it. Add that to Christie's reputation for reprisals and you have a pretty good idea of what really happened. These were his TOP aides, people he saw everyday and he never asked for an investigation of the matter?

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then you're sense of what is or is not common sense is not realistic. Governors have no power over others as to stupid things they do. Common sense to me shows that these folks got too big for their own good and decided they could take actions which were not consistent with Christie. People do stupid things sometimes.

    Sure he looks bad because he's ultimately responsible for these people's actions. He however fired them and took all questions and stated he had no knowledge these things transpired. He knew however that the lanes were closed for what he called a "traffic study" and that it turns out it was not a traffic study and he found out the truth about what it was 48 hours ago, he had to take action. Things like this are never a positive, however he certain has taken steps to turn it into a positive.

    Assuming no hard evidence comes out to refute his statements, he certainly has taken this situation and done the best at handling it IMO.
    We are not talking about just any staff member but the deputy chief of staff and two of his top executives at the Port Authority. The relationship between a governor and a deputy chief of staff is one of the closet relationships in the office of the governor.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Agreed. And when an evangelist doesn't get what he deserves? When most around him, the press, and his defenders quash the criticism and it's ignored until it goes away... what then?
    Then a crazy guy who gets all excited about Jesus on TV gets away. It doesn't matter in the end. I know what you're getting at, but those downplaying this episode are advocating exactly that because Christie's a Republican.

    Remember, Obama set himself up as being the most transparent. This is akin to the evangelist claiming how full of God and holy he is. The same argument is made of Republicans who claim family values who then get caught hiding the pickle with a mistress. The criticism is always, "Well, the Republicans always say they are the party of family values look at this guy having an out of marriage affair! What a joke! You know what, that's fair criticism.
    And usually we have a great laugh at that politician's expense and he goes on to get re-elected anyway. I love a good Weiner joke, just as I like a good Larry Craig joke. I shed no tears over either of them getting what they got.


    Yet when one sets themselves up as the most transparent and then is the direct opposite - we should ignore that?
    I think it's kind of disingenuous when you're criticizing him for governing pretty much like the guy you voted for had for the previous 8 years.


    It's a fair comparison however.
    Yes, but it's just trying to deflect attention back to the "dark side."


    MSNBC tows the line for Obama especially between 5pm and 11pm ET. All their shows are geared towards pro Democrat and pro Obama. Fox is diametrically opposed to that view and take a critical anti-Democrat anti-Obama stance. My view is, one needs to be able to discern facts from supposition. All opinion shows take facts and then try to connect various other dots to create a narrative that their viewers want to hear. It doesn't mean Maddow cannot provide facts, nor that Hannity cannot provide facts. It's the conclusions they derive to support their narrative one must be wary of and depending on which side of the political fence one is on makes a difference.

    Of course I see the comparisons and they are fair to make.
    MSNBC tows the line for Democrats, just as Fox does for Republicans. But if it's fair here, then it's fair there.


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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh hey, a post by yet another liberal progressive that wants to clearly take the stance that only Republican scandals, are scandals...



    I'd be pissed too if someone did something I didn't know about that was this level of embarrassment.



    Pretty good actually...Unless you want to now say that Executives like Christie, and Obama should know everything like this...If so, then Obama has to answer for quite a bit, no?



    And now I am sure you will look upon what the recently fired Kelly has to say as the absolute truth right?



    On that we can agree....Christie came out in forthright fashion and answered every question asked in a straight forward manner. Hell, I thought at one point someone was going to ask what he had for breakfast that morning. So, IF, and it is a big if at this point, but if something comes to light that any of his answers to questions in the presser were false, then he has a problem, if he knew, or ordered the partial shutdown of the GW, then he is done.
    I like how your counter argument to this is to complain about Obama some more then gush over how incredibly Christie is handling this.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Seeing you don't want to touch it, can you at least give a slight indication why Chrisite would want to call off the dogs on looking into the matter in the early days of December?

    Can you answer that one?
    Sounds like he already knew that Baroni was resigning....Isn't that acceptable to the DailyKOS crowd? That is what Obama does when his underlings get caught....
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still means you're voting for evil. There wasn't enough distance between the two, IMO. One put an individual mandate on his state when he was governor, the other copied it nationwide. NSA, drones...basically identical positions. Essentially the only difference was that one was sort of for gay marriage, and the other was sort of against it.

    I'm comfortable with how I voted. While you can say "You helped re-elect Obama," to me there wasn't any evidence that Romney would be any better, worse, or indeed different.
    I agree. It would have been business as usual regardless of who won in 2012. If one takes off their deep colored red or blue tinted glasses, stuck cotton in their ears and stepped back and just looked how Bush II and Obama have governed, one would not see much difference at all. Just the R and the D. In 2012, I had lost faith in Obama and I didn't trust Romney, but I didn't vote for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate either. I voted for the candidate I think could get this country back on the right track, Gary Johnson.

    By voting the least worst candidate, you are still getting a very bad winner. As for that you helped re-elect Obama, I didn't help him at all, my vote didn't go to him. If the Republicans wanted my vote, they would have given me a better choice of candidates, one whom I could have supported. They didn't, so it is the Republican's fault they didn't get my vote. Besides Romney ran the most inept campaign I have seen since Bush the first back in 1992. Romney though he could win just because he wasn't Obama, sorry Charlie, it doesn't work that way.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I like how your counter argument to this is to complain about Obama some more then gush over how incredibly Christie is handling this.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome.
    No, just fact...You, and others are making more of this than it warrants...But if you really want to go down the road of a say Mike Malloy goes, then it is fair game to compare Christie to Obama in the handling of this, and if that is the case, then Christie schools Obama on how to handle it.
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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No one can answer why he stonewalled the issue for months, even going so far as to ridicule reporters that dared ask about it. Add that to Christie's reputation for reprisals and you have a pretty good idea of what really happened. These were his TOP aides, people he saw everyday and he never asked for an investigation of the matter?
    Its pretty obvious to anyone who isn't wrapped in a tortilla of denial or bias. It is eye rolling silly but because Christie is a big deal we need concrete proof or else the right-wing bs machine will spin it away without fail.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, just fact...You, and others are making more of this than it warrants...But if you really want to go down the road of a say Mike Malloy goes, then it is fair game to compare Christie to Obama in the handling of this, and if that is the case, then Christie schools Obama on how to handle it.
    Making more of it than it warrants? Says the guy who has made like 300 Benghazi threads over a period of 16 months? What we're not even allowed to talk about him possibly being involved? Lmfao. You gotta fatal case of the partisans.

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    Re: Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Because it was a traffic study perhaps? I can't speculate why he called off an investigation without first seeing where he, personally, requested the investigation to no occur. Or was that his staff that made that request?
    There WAS NO Traffic Study. That was made clear. He KNEW it. He had to.

    I don't understand your second statement. Did you click the link from December 12th I linked? Christie himself made it clear he wanted Cuomo to call off the dogs. It's baffling why he would do that, will you at least admit that?

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