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j-mac said:

Not all agree on what the problems are.

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I think rather...not all agree on what the route to fixing certain problems are - at least some of problems are, I think, universal enough that most have a general idea what they are.

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The Mark said:

I think rather...not all agree on what the route to fixing certain problems are - at least some of problems are, I think, universal enough that most have a general idea what they are.

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Ok, I'll buy that, then the question remains, how to herd cats.

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j-mac said:

Ok, I'll buy that, then the question remains, how to herd cats.

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Catnip?

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This is something I didn't know until now - the incoming Attorney General was CC's Chief of Staff.

Now, it's possibly postponed

Bridgegate wait? Senate committee considers postponing hearing on new AG | NJ.com

And on Tues., he has to go before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Not a great way to kick off a term.

Inauguration day for Christie is 9 days off.

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If it turns out he knew about this, he's done, and should be. America has had enough of liars, and corruption.

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j-mac said:

If it turns out he knew about this, he's done, and should be. America has had enough of liars, and corruption.

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I am not too sure that if Christie knew about this he is done. Political pundits and us one DP tend to place way too much emphasis on one event or happening and proclaim it is over. Even without this I am not sure Christie could win in the Republican primaries anyway. Christie has become the media’s darling and they are pushing him much more than anyone in the Republican Party. His support was only at 18% within the republican party prior to bridgegate.

But remember history, Flowers was suppose to doom Clinton, then his evading the draft, then his smoking pot, but Clinton overcame all to become president in 1992. More recently with political events, remember the Republican shutdown was suppose to doom the Republicans chances in 2014 and some were predicting the demise of the Republican Party. By the end of October of last year their party affiliation numbers was at 20% vs. 30% for Dems, in the generic congressional poll which asks which party you want to control congress they trailed the Dems 49-40. Everyone was writing the Republicans obituary.

Two months later the numbers are 24% Rep vs. the same 30% for Dems, the generic congressional poll is tied at 43% each. More important independents prefer a Republican control of both chambers of congress by a 55-45 margin.

If nothing else follow, Christie is home free IMO as the attention span of the American electorate is very short. If something does come out that Christie knew about it or worse yet signed off on it, it will be the Republican Right Wing that uses it during the primaries to defeat him. But with almost three years to go and this happening now, if Christie wants to run, I do not think many outside of the Democratic Party will hold it against him. It will be old news and just a bump on the road.

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I think you're wrong. If he knew, he's not only toast as a governor and potential Pres candidate -- he could be impeached and removed.

There are criminal offenses here.

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Paperview said:

I think you're wrong. If he knew, he's not only toast as a governor and potential Pres candidate -- he could be impeached and removed.

There are criminal offenses here.

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This went on for 4 days. How could he not be concerned about it? Has that question been answered

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Carleen said:

This went on for 4 days. How could he not be concerned about it? Has that question been answered

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And nearly four months after -- till he finally fired someone.

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j-mac said:

If it turns out he knew about this, he's done, and should be. America has had enough of liars, and corruption.

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It would be better yet if the media and government agencies responded the same and as quickly if it were Democrats involved. But no sympathy for any poitician if they are guilty of corrupting the system, Christie included.

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Paperview said:

And nearly four months after -- till he finally fired someone.

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You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.

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j-mac said:

You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.

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It might be possible, if there was evidence showing he DID know.

But unless that shows up, no way to prove any such thing.

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If they rise out of Chicago or NJ, too much of a risk.

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j-mac said:

You are making the fatal flaw that he is lying about not knowing...That would lead me to say prove that he lied in the presser....You can't.

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Early in the game, chum.

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The Mark said:

It might be possible, if there was evidence showing he DID know.

But unless that shows up, no way to prove any such thing.

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Absolutely...And believe me, those from the Obama administration, to the same media types that have gone after Sara Palin for years to bring her down will crawl out from under their rocks to dig, twist, slander, and make **** up in order to do just that.

Paperview said:

Early in the game, chum.

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No doubt. But I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying so far. He, unlike Obama is not known for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling like Obama is...

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j-mac said:

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No doubt. But I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying so far. He, unlike Obama is not known for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling like Obama is...

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Here's a link to a long analysis of the Bridgegate situation - Anatomy of a Scandal: Why 'Bridgegate' Matters - NJ Spotlight
Christie's history does provide evidence "for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling"



just as an aside, Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words "Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

You might wish to actually read de Tocqueville's work instead of relying on internet sites for your information, although the quickest way to access Democracy in America is thru an internet site.

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and yet more inquiries about Christie's way of doing stuff

Feds investigating Christie's use of Sandy relief funds - CNN.com

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is facing questions over the use of Superstorm Sandy relief funds.
CNN has learned that federal officials are investigating whether Christie improperly used those relief funds to produce tourism ads that starred him and his family.
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In the new probe, federal auditors will examine New Jersey's use of $25 million in Sandy relief funds for a marketing campaign to promote tourism at the Jersey Shore after Sandy decimated the state's coastline in late 2012
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Pallone wrote that he was concerned about the bidding process for the firm awarded the marketing plan; the winning firm is charging the state about $2 million more than the next lowest bidder. The winning $4.7 million bid featured Christie and his family in the advertisements while the losing $2.5 million proposal did not feature the Christies.

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Somerville said:

Here's a link to a long analysis of the Bridgegate situation - Anatomy of a Scandal: Why 'Bridgegate' Matters - NJ Spotlight
Christie's history does provide evidence "for obfuscation, parsing his words, and stonewalling"

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OMG, are you serious? A 5 page article attacking Christie by a writer that obviously doesn't like Christie at all? I see nothing that would lead me to believe that Christie is lying at this point. If it turns out that he is, or that he did know that this was going on when it happened, then I'll change my opinion, until then all you have is smear, by people that have an interest in making sure he gets smeared.

just as an aside, Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words "Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

You might wish to actually read de Tocqueville's work instead of relying on internet sites for your information, although the quickest way to access Democracy in America is thru an internet site.

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:lamo Man, that must really bug you....It is at least the second time you have commented on my sig....Maybe you'd prefer this one....

"Socialism is a new form of slavery." Or this one...."As for me, I am deeply a democrat; this is why I am in no way a socialist. Democracy and socialism cannot go together. You can't have it both ways."

Or even better yet, maybe you'd appreciate this one....

"Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith."

Where does your faith lie?

BTW....the rest of that quote goes as such...

..."The subjection of individuals will increase amongst democratic nations, not only in the same proportion as their equality, but in the same proportion as their ignorance.
Read more at Slavery Quotes

de Tocqueville was no fan of Socialism, nor was he a fan of unchecked Capitalism, but for you a Socialist, to declare so repeatedly that the quote doesn't exist, is just more trying to undermine things you don't agree with...A true Socialist trait.

Get over it...the sig remains.

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OK - totally off topic but when you post your quote mines and refuse to accept that de Tocqueville did not write your sig line, I have to wonder why

Your first two quotes are de Tocqueville's words

a true quote "Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith." but a fine example of quote mining. The full paragraph from which these words are taken with my emphasis added
[I]By the side of these religious men I discern others whose looks are turned to the earth more than to Heaven; they are the partisans of liberty, not only as the source of the noblest virtues, but more especially as the root of all solid advantages; and they sincerely desire to extend its sway, and to impart its blessings to mankind. It is natural that they should hasten to invoke the assistance of religion, for they must know that liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith; but they have seen religion in the ranks of their adversaries, and they inquire no further; some of them attack it openly, and the remainder are afraid to defend it.[/I]

a bit from de Tocqueville, a few years after his visit to America
As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?

Your source Slavery Quotes is making up the quotes they post, some are real, some are fake and some are quote mines plus mixing together words the gentleman wrote but in different books.

Here's a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville that is seldom noted by Americans who value some of his words
I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.




But - No mas! Enough diversion from the topic of the thread

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Somerville said:

OK - totally off topic but when you post your quote mines and refuse to accept that de Tocqueville did not write your sig line, I have to wonder why

Your first two quotes are de Tocqueville's words

a true quote "Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith." but a fine example of quote mining. The full paragraph from which these words are taken with my emphasis added
[I]By the side of these religious men I discern others whose looks are turned to the earth more than to Heaven; they are the partisans of liberty, not only as the source of the noblest virtues, but more especially as the root of all solid advantages; and they sincerely desire to extend its sway, and to impart its blessings to mankind. It is natural that they should hasten to invoke the assistance of religion, for they must know that liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith; but they have seen religion in the ranks of their adversaries, and they inquire no further; some of them attack it openly, and the remainder are afraid to defend it.[/I]

a bit from de Tocqueville, a few years after his visit to America
As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?

Your source Slavery Quotes is making up the quotes they post, some are real, some are fake and some are quote mines plus mixing together words the gentleman wrote but in different books.

Here's a quote from Alexis de Tocqueville that is seldom noted by Americans who value some of his words
I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.




But - No mas! Enough diversion from the topic of the thread

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Ha, enough of YOUR diversion indeed. As for it being "My" source, you are wrong. It is "A" source. I didn't write, own it, or develop it...So no, it is not "My" source....It might help if you properly used the English language when trying to appear intellectually superior to someone else....:lol:

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Let's see... we were talking about, what again? Sig lines? Nope, that's not it. Alexis de Tocqueville? Nope again. Oh, yes, I remember, it was about the governor of New Jersey! Since I live way on the other side of the country, I'm not too familiar with New Jersey and its culture and politics, so, let's look at what the locals have to say about their governor:

The late Rutgers professor Alan Rosenthal saw $169,000 for one of his programs stripped from the state budget after he cast the tie-breaking vote for a legislative redistricting map that favored Democrats. Christie used his line item veto power.

The governor also used his vast authority to cut off state Sen. Richard Codey’s security detail and fire two people close to the lawmaker after Christie accused Codey (D-Essex) of messing with one of his cabinet positions.

Another time, Christie used the veto pen to slice $3.8 million for lawmakers’ staff salaries out of the budget after Democrats sent him a budget he didn’t like.

During his town hall meetings and his recent re-election campaign, Christie proudly displayed his brusque personality, saying he learned to tell it like it is from his outspoken mother. Voters will never have to wonder where the governor stands on an issue, he likes to say.

At Thursday’s marathon news conference, Christie showed none of the angry tirades that have earned him the reputation as a bully.

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Would it be out of character for Christie to cause a traffic jam as a political payback?

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Dittohead not! said:

Let's see... we were talking about, what again? Sig lines? Nope, that's not it. Alexis de Tocqueville? Nope again. Oh, yes, I remember, it was about the governor of New Jersey! Since I live way on the other side of the country, I'm not too familiar with New Jersey and its culture and politics, so, let's look at what the locals have to say about their governor:



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Would it be out of character for Christie to cause a traffic jam as a political payback?

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I'd say NJ.com doesn't like Christie much...Isn't that the same outlet that had the 5 page hit piece on Christie that Sommerville wanted me to wade through? Right before he went off topic to attack my sig line?

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j-mac said:

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I'd say NJ.com doesn't like Christie much...Isn't that the same outlet that had the 5 page hit piece on Christie that Sommerville wanted me to wade through? Right before he went off topic to attack my sig line?

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Could be.

If the folks in NJ don't like Christie, why did they elect him their governor?

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Dittohead not! said:

Could be.

If the folks in NJ don't like Christie, why did they elect him their governor?

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Does the site NJ.com represent the entirety of NJ residents?

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j-mac said:

Does the site NJ.com represent the entirety of NJ residents?

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It must not, or they wouldn't have elected him governor.

The question is, do they have the culture of political payback and so on right? I don't know that one either, but it seems logical to listen to what the local press is saying. They should know.