Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109:573]

Crosscheck said:

With politicians it is party first. The staff of Christie apparently put Party over the people first.

You are right that there is always the finger pointing of one party from the other party. The immediate response in these type of situations is by the party supporters is look what you guys have done.

But only this time I can't remember anything brought to attention of us that someone deliberately caused a traffic jam for four fricking days. I know in sexual escapades it is real easy to find similiar offenses by the other party but in this event I can't remember another similiar event. This is something like the movie Animal House where they threw boxes of marbles onto the street to trip the ROTC cadets.

So many party loyalists can't figure why this is talked about but the reason is that we have never seen this kind of action before. Am certain there have been other escapades such as changing precinct
boundaries and such but nothing like this.

I think his whole staff should be flushed down the cesspool.

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Jack Hays said:

Let's assume for the sake of argument that it's Christie vs Hillary Clinton. Commercial opens with Christie saying at press conference that he's accountable and takes responsibility. Cut to Hillary asking "What difference does it make?" Narrator then asks who you trust. Christie wins.eace

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reinoe said:

Hillary Clinton is right on this one. What difference does it make? I wouldn't vote for either at the present time.

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Perotista said:

I think you're right. Fire them all and hire honest or at least semi ethical people. There is way too much vindictive politics today to suit my taste. How about find out the truth and move on.

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Jack Hays said:

But inasmuch as she was SecState at the time, it shows her disinterest in accountability.eace

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reinoe said:

But inasmuch as he was governor at the time and didn't investigate the bridge shutdown, it shows his disinterest in accountability.eace

If you're trying to convince me that Hillary Clinton is the devil don't bother. I can't imagine the circumstance I would vote for her. Hillary Clinton is not the topic of the thread though.

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Crosscheck said:

I think this just goes to show you how you really can't 100% trust people. People you rub shoulders with daily who you almost consider your friend you just would't expect them to do something like this.

The real shocker is that this wasn't a lone wolf project. At least one other if not more were more than willing to join in. You would think someone with an IQ higher that a soapdish would of spoke up and said, " I don't know guys, this is going to come back and bite us in the butt".

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Jack Hays said:

On the contrary, I think Christie's actions throughout this episode have shown him in a very positive light in terms of accountability. I don't think HC is the devil; I was merely illustrating how Christie can use this episode to his advantage.eace

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Fletch said:

That was a big story when it broke, but there has really been nothing new so it has fizzled. If there is nothing new here, this story will do the same. But if there were an e-mail from an Obama deputy chief of staff to Lois Lerner saying "Time for some audits of Tea Party groups" we would still be talking about it. Personally, I think abuse at the IRS is a bigger scandal, but I get why this one has caught everyones attention. The issue is the same in both, however, abuse of governmental power.

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Grant said:

Yes, the IRS is a much, much bigger scandal than this bit of stupidity though those who trust Big Brother for their well being will continue to look the other way.

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reinoe said:

Christie and his fired staffers were part of Big Brother. Are you saying Republicans can't be trusted with government?

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Grant said:

They are not "Big Brother". This is a fuss in New Jersey and nothing more.

The Federal Government is Big Brother and the domestic spying and the IRS are just a part of it. The government can now also seize your property if they want it, exclude you from using it for your own purposes, and otherwise restrict your life in any way they deem fit. You seem unfamiliar with the source of the term.

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Perotista said:

When one breaks down the 2012 election 97% in the presidential race went to either Romney or Obama while 3% to the other various third parties. The party affiliation bread down was 35% Democrat, 30% Republican. 33% independent, 2% third party. So 97% of independents ended up voting for one of the two major party candidates. There is a ton of reasons for this. The majority of Independents usually lean toward one party or the other. Those who do not and those who dislike both candidate usually hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Why? Because the two major parties have ingrained into them that a vote for any third party candidate is a wasted vote, he can't win and those independents buy into this even if it means in their mind they are voting for a very bad candidate. But that bad candidate is the least worst candidate among the two major parties.

Money for political ads/commercials of the two major parties drown out any third party candidate/s. In 2012 Romney raised and spent a billion dollars on his attempt to beat Obama, Obama in return also raised and spent a billion dollars to be re-elected. The next in line as far as money raised and spent was Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson who was only able to raise and spent 3 million. So what real chance did Johnson have? He was being outspent 2 billion to 3 million by the two major parties.

Then there are the election laws, written by republicans and democrats as a mutual protection act. They write these laws to almost make it impossible for any viable third party to arise and challenge them. They have a monopoly on our election system and will do anything to keep it that way.

In reality, there is no challenging them. I suppose one just has to hold their nose when they go vote. There is no such thing as a fair election in this country. Just legal ones.

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Grant said:

Yes, the IRS is a much, much bigger scandal than this bit of stupidity though those who trust Big Brother for their well being will continue to look the other way.

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eohrnberger said:

Yet look at how the Biased Lame Stream Media (BLSM) has bent the attention of everyone into the direction that they wanted.

A compounding of the IRS scandal is Obama's appointment of an Obama donor to head the investigation, as if she's going to find anything that she doesn't want to see. Ba!

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Somerville said:

Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

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Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.

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Somerville said:

Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

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Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.

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The Mark said:

IF enough people could be convinced of this or similar views, perhaps we would get more votes for independent and 3rd-party candidates.

I know it happens far more often at the local and even state levels of government - probably because of the smaller numbers that need convinced.

But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Perotista said:

I worked for Perot on both his campaigns back in 1992 and 96. If he was independently wealthy he would never have been able to get on all the states ballots. I have no idea how much he paid a stable full of lawyers to challenge election laws written for the explicit purpose of keeping third parties off the ballot. The came political advertising. With money rolling in to the two major parties from special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street etc. none came Perot's way. He had to basically pay out of his pocket for any political ads. It was one very steep hill to climb. The one good thing is the presidential debates were run by the League of Woman's voters back then. They allowed Perot into them. But the two major parties didn't like that and immediately took the presidential debates away from the League. Now it is run as a bipartisan debate commission. That means no third party candidate will ever appear in them again.

No, the two major parties have made sure they will never be challenged.

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Somerville said:

Oh yes, let us look at how the Bridgegate scandal is being handled by one segment of the population and the media

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Reading thru this thread, I would say that some posters seem to have checked off everyone of the instructions in the pic. Just following what their lords and masters have told them to do.

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The Mark said:

I can understand some rules, to prevent the ballot from being filled with tens and probably hundreds of candidates.

But as I understand it, most states have election laws/rules that are far too strict. Requiring a ridiculously high number of people signing a petition, for example.

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The Mark said:

Thing is, if this were a democrat, that list would apply to them as well.

Don't kid yourself about how these things work - if politics are involved, context and reality are meaningless.

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No one really looks at the core issues we face.

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Somerville said:

I can basically agree with what you have posted with the exception of the last sentence - I think there are those who do examine core issues, unfortunately they seldom are granted access to the podiums, pulpits and megaphones used by those on the inside - the Villagers as they are known.

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The Mark said:

I overstated - as you say, people do examine core issues, and some of them do speak out on them.

At the time, I was thinking how news coverage of nearly any random event, often nearly meaningless, seems to trump any kind of actual investigating or examining of things.

And we seem to just follow along.

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Somerville said:

Our problem, the nation's problem remains the reality which says some of the most thoughtful analyses of the country's problems is never heard by the majority of the population

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