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Emails link top Christie aide to GWB lane-closing controversy - [W:77,109:573]

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Paperview said:
There WAS NO Traffic Study. That was made clear. He KNEW it. He had to.
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How did he have to know it?

Paperview said:
I don't understand your second statement. Did you click the link from December 12th I linked? Christie himself made it clear he wanted Cuomo to call off the dogs. It's baffling why he would do that, will you at least admit that?
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No where in the article is there a passage identifying Christie called off any "dogs". Perhaps you can point out what you're talking about.
 
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Verax said:
Its pretty obvious to anyone who isn't wrapped in a tortilla of denial or bias. It is eye rolling silly but because Christie is a big deal we need concrete proof or else the right-wing bs machine will spin it away without fail.
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I do not think it is the right-wing machine that will even try to spin it away. The right wing do not want Christie as their nominee, they consider him a RINO. The Republican establishment may give him some cover is there is any there, there. But not the right wing. They already blame Christie for him embrace of President Obama during the final days of the election, for Christie trying to help the people of his state in recovering from hurricane Sandy. The right wing will use this against him.

According to RCP, only 18% of all Republicans want him as their nominee in 2016. Most Republicans are looking at Rand Paul or Cruz. Believe me, the right wing wants nothing to do with Christie. They are probably digging for more dirt on him than any Democrat. The right wings fears him more than the Democrats even.
 
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vesper said:
We are not talking about just any staff member but the deputy chief of staff and two of his top executives at the Port Authority. The relationship between a governor and a deputy chief of staff is one of the closet relationships in the office of the governor.
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Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
 
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He responds (satire):

My Fellow Americans, Look At Me: Do I Look Like A Corrupt, Vengeful Bully? | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

This is might as well be true:

“Man, this guy wants to be President of the United States and he can’t even conceal an act of corruption this rinky-dink and run-of-the-mill from voters? It’s crazy,” Newark resident Carolyn Baum said in agreement with millions of stunned Americans, adding that she holds potential presidential candidates to much higher standards of subterfuge and graft. “I mean, this is a total softball. If he can’t even bully one little small-town mayor into submission by oppressing his constituents and get away with it, how can we reasonably believe he’s politically skilled enough to cover up national scandals like orchestrating a foreign war, illegally colluding with big business, or violating the civil liberties of millions of Americans? It’s a little scary, to be honest.” At press time, many Americans reported their faith in Christie’s presidential qualifications was somewhat restored after he released a series of statements pinning the blame on others and throwing top aides under the bus.
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/vo...lMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:3:Default
 
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Ockham said:
How did he have to know it?
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His hand picked guy at the PA had resigned the week earlier --- and the investigation that caused that resignation *showed* there was no "traffic study." You notice how no one has produced any "traffic study?" His guy was forced to RESIGN. No red flags? Yes, he had to know.

No where in the article is there a passage identifying Christie called off any "dogs". Perhaps you can point out what you're talking about.
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You will have to accept the source. As it turned out -- his actions showed quite plainly he wanted the dogs called off, and even mocked people who asked about it. If he really cared, wouldn't he have asked for more sunshine? That, he most certainly didn't.

He wanted it OFF the radar screen. He didn't care about the answers. Didn't care about his constituents.
 
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Perotista said:
I do not think it is the right-wing machine that will even try to spin it away. The right wing do not want Christie as their nominee, they consider him a RINO. The Republican establishment may give him some cover is there is any there, there. But not the right wing. They already blame Christie for him embrace of President Obama during the final days of the election, for Christie trying to help the people of his state in recovering from hurricane Sandy. The right wing will use this against him.

According to RCP, only 18% of all Republicans want him as their nominee in 2016. Most Republicans are looking at Rand Paul or Cruz. Believe me, the right wing wants nothing to do with Christie. They are probably digging for more dirt on him than any Democrat. The right wings fears him more than the Democrats even.
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and none of the candidates, or potential candidates that the right wing would support are in any way electable.

So, let's prepare for another Democrat in the White House in '16. Let's hope they can choose a better candidate this time around.
 
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rocket88 said:
Then a crazy guy who gets all excited about Jesus on TV gets away. It doesn't matter in the end. I know what you're getting at, but those downplaying this episode are advocating exactly that because Christie's a Republican.
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Perhaps that's valid for some. Others want a little more evidence before condemning.

rocket88 said:
And usually we have a great laugh at that politician's expense and he goes on to get re-elected anyway. I love a good Weiner joke, just as I like a good Larry Craig joke. I shed no tears over either of them getting what they got.
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Except when they DON'T get what they deserve...

rocket88 said:
I think it's kind of disingenuous when you're criticizing him for governing pretty much like the guy you voted for had for the previous 8 years.
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It would only be disingenuous if a.) you knew how I actually voted and didn't assume and b.) if you knew I accepted it with Bush but not with Obama. Fact is, I didn't vote for Obama either time, I did vote for Bush twice so you're right on one account, however in my defense with Bush - voting in Al Gore or Kerry? Comon... can you really blame me? Lastly, Obama's governance is either DOA or MIA... there is no governance. He doesn't talk to his own party unless he needs something from them. I can go on criticizing for hours but I will spare you - suffice to say if Obama did what Christie did yesterday during the IRS scandal, he'd have much more support and begrudging appreciation from Republicans. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton - still think his man-whore escapades are an embarrassment to the Presidency but he did pretty good for the American people overall. Frankly, I wish he (not Hillary) could run again.

rocket88 said:
Yes, but it's just trying to deflect attention back to the "dark side."
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Criticism of a public figure opens up comparison especially to those that deserve the comparison. I only wish the press would turn their keen eye on Obama's last 2 years as they have on Christie's last 48 hours. That however, we all know will not happen.

rocket88 said:
MSNBC tows the line for Democrats, just as Fox does for Republicans. But if it's fair here, then it's fair there.
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Ok.
 
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A friend of mine (Chaparuso) made this post on another board. He has given me permission to use it.

I think it makes some excellent points and want to share:

The strength of his denial while knowing two of his top staff may face prosecution (and will almost certainly take a plea deal if so) is the only thing that makes me think he may not have been personally involved. But, for that to be the case, you must also believe that Christie:

- Didn't look into why there was a traffic study that screwed up the world's busiest bridge for 4 days straight
- Didn't know about 4 days of phone calls from the Mayor of Ft. Lee to his office and his staffers that were not returned
- Didn't hear about the rumors circulating right after this happened
- Didn't know about the pending investigation, the subpoenas issued to his deputy chief of staff and political friends at the Port Authority
- Didn't sense anything was amiss with the abrupt resignation of some of the parties involved

In addition, you have to believe the above while at the same time knowing that the people who did this were in the inner circle of his hand-picked administration, with at least on of which being a close, long time friend.

If you can believe aaaaaaaall of the above, then this demonstrates an overwhelming display of incompetence. OR a handful of Christie's closest staff (including a longtime friend) conspired to engage in a stunning display of abuse of power while hiding this from Christie the entire time.

There's a point where this just becomes improbable. Regardless, we'll get the full story once Kelly and Wildstein get an earful from their defense attorneys on the amount of jail time they'll face if they try to give the investigators anything less than the full truth. For Christie's sake, I hope he's right.
 
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Ockham said:
Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
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Blindsided by the revelation but not interested in investigating into it either.

I don't know whether he's guilty or not, but it certainly looks bad.
 
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Paperview said:
His hand picked guy at the PA had resigned the week earlier --- and the investigation that caused that resignation *showed* there was no "traffic study." You notice how no one has produced any "traffic study?" His guy was forced to RESIGN. No red flags? Yes, he had to know.
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Who forced him? See the more allegations you make, the more I'm going to call for evidence. Who forced him? When? What was the reason? How does his resignation ("forced" is unfounded) prove anything?

Paperview said:
You will have to accept the source. As it turned out -- his actions showed quite plainly he wanted the dogs called off, and even mocked people who asked about it. If he really cared, wouldn't he have asked for more sunshine? That, he most certainly didn't.
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No where in the article does your allegation exist. :shrug:

Paperview said:
He wanted it OFF the radar screen. He didn't care about the answers. Didn't care about his constituents.
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Where does it say he wants it off the radar screen? Where does it say he didn't care about the answers or constituents? I saw 2 hours of a press interview saying the direct opposite. If you want to just blather on about your bias at least do so armed with facts. What you sound like to me is a very partisan individual who doesn't like Christie and found an outlet on this forum to grind your axe and make unfounded fact-less claims.

I'll say it for a third time: If there is evidence and fact to that backs up your claims, I'll stand right with you calling for his head. Otherwise, it sounds like petty partisanship.
 
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reinoe said:
Blindsided by the revelation but not interested in investigating into it either.
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I believe he stated there is an on going investigation in the press conference yesterday.
 
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I don't know whether Christie knew what was going on or not. It doesn't matter, as the buck stops at his desk. In his defense, he did fire the aids involved, did make an apology. In contrast, what happened to the people involved in Fast and Furious? In the refusal to provide more security to the embassy in Bengazi? In the IRS scandal? Crickets.
 
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Ockham said:
Who forced him? See the more allegations you make, the more I'm going to call for evidence. Who forced him? When? What was the reason? How does his resignation ("forced" is unfounded) prove anything?

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Wow. You're not even familiar with the investigation under oath that occurred, are you? Let me step back a bit. Do you know at all about that investigation in early December? Did you see any of the transcripts? Watch any of those hearings?
 
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Ockham said:
I believe he stated there is an on going investigation in the press conference yesterday.
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No, Christie was not looking into the matter of the bridge closing at all. If he had been then he would be blindsided by these revelations after 3 months. The investigation is from outside parties.
 
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reinoe said:
No, Christie was not looking into the matter of the bridge closing at all. If he had been then he would be blindsided by these revelations after 3 months. The investigation is from outside parties.
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Yes. Now it has become a Federal matter, as well as a matter of more State investigations. Investigations Christie wanted no part of.
 
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Verax said:
Making more of it than it warrants?
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Yes, more than it warrants. You are acting like this was the first ever traffic snarl on the GW bridge...:lol: Situations like this happen every day, twice a day....Hell, I think that there is heavy traffic on that bridge even on a Sunday at 3 am. *Breaking News* --- GW bridge has traffic jams....again...details never.

Says the guy who has made like 300 Benghazi threads over a period of 16 months?
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Over exaggerate much? But, talk about a 'stonewall'.....

What we're not even allowed to talk about him possibly being involved? Lmfao.
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No, talk all you want...But talk knowing what hypocrites y'all look like when all we hear about when we bring up Obama's corrupt administration is how "phony" the scandals are....

You gotta fatal case of the partisans.
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Someone needs to get you a mirror quickly Mr. Malloy.....
 
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Dittohead not! said:
and none of the candidates, or potential candidates that the right wing would support are in any way electable.

So, let's prepare for another Democrat in the White House in '16. Let's hope they can choose a better candidate this time around.
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Who would you say would be that "better candidate" for demo's?
 
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j-mac said:
Who would you say would be that "better candidate" for demo's?
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Nobody that has been suggested so far.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, more than it warrants. You are acting like this was the first ever traffic snarl on the GW bridge...:lol: Situations like this happen every day, twice a day....Hell, I think that there is heavy traffic on that bridge even on a Sunday at 3 am. *Breaking News* --- GW bridge has traffic jams....again...details never.
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The bridge wasn't backed up.

It was the city of Fort Lee, that was essentially turned into a parking lot, for four days.

On the first day of school.

During the anniversary of 9/11.

On an order from Christies office.

Why do you think this has gone to the point where 4 heads have already rolled, Christie's hand picked PA dude who took the 5th yesterday for fear of Criminal charges, a US Senate committee investigation, and now the US Attorney's office opening an investigation?
 
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Paperview said:
A friend of mine (Chaparuso) made this post on another board. He has given me permission to use it.

I think it makes some excellent points and want to share:

The strength of his denial while knowing two of his top staff may face prosecution (and will almost certainly take a plea deal if so) is the only thing that makes me think he may not have been personally involved. But, for that to be the case, you must also believe that Christie:

- Didn't look into why there was a traffic study that screwed up the world's busiest bridge for 4 days straight
- Didn't know about 4 days of phone calls from the Mayor of Ft. Lee to his office and his staffers that were not returned
- Didn't hear about the rumors circulating right after this happened
- Didn't know about the pending investigation, the subpoenas issued to his deputy chief of staff and political friends at the Port Authority
- Didn't sense anything was amiss with the abrupt resignation of some of the parties involved

In addition, you have to believe the above while at the same time knowing that the people who did this were in the inner circle of his hand-picked administration, with at least on of which being a close, long time friend.

If you can believe aaaaaaaall of the above, then this demonstrates an overwhelming display of incompetence. OR a handful of Christie's closest staff (including a longtime friend) conspired to engage in a stunning display of abuse of power while hiding this from Christie the entire time.

There's a point where this just becomes improbable. Regardless, we'll get the full story once Kelly and Wildstein get an earful from their defense attorneys on the amount of jail time they'll face if they try to give the investigators anything less than the full truth. For Christie's sake, I hope he's right.
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Plus he made this comment about Ft. Lee and it's supposed "3 dedicated lanes".

Christie said he had no involvement with that decision-making. “I didn’t even know that Fort Lee had three dedicated lanes,’’ he said.

However, he is urging the Authority now to review the whole situation. “The fact that one town has three lanes dedicated to it, that kind of gets me sauced,’’ Christie said.
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Read more at Christie: Fort Lee's dedicated lanes should be reviewed | Politicker NJ
or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at Get Started | Politicker NJ
 
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Dittohead not! said:
and none of the candidates, or potential candidates that the right wing would support are in any way electable.

So, let's prepare for another Democrat in the White House in '16. Let's hope they can choose a better candidate this time around.
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Timing is everything when it comes to elections. No one know what events, happenings, issue will be hot in 2016 this far out. Clinton has name recognition and her flaws are well known. Her favorable/unfavorable ratings are almost even 47/45 and I suspect they will not change much as she is a known quantity. Christie, Paul, Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rubio etc are not so well known. Christie has gotten a lot of play and his favorable/unfavorable is at 43/31 but that leave 26% who don't know/unsure or haven't made up their mind about him. All the rest have the unsure/don't know percentages in the 30's or above leaving a lot of wiggle room although all the rest are in the negative by 10 points or more.

So we wait and see what happens, time will tell if any really become viable outside of Christie.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, more than it warrants. You are acting like this was the first ever traffic snarl on the GW bridge...:lol: Situations like this happen every day, twice a day....Hell, I think that there is heavy traffic on that bridge even on a Sunday at 3 am. *Breaking News* --- GW bridge has traffic jams....again...details never.



Over exaggerate much? But, talk about a 'stonewall'.....



No, talk all you want...But talk knowing what hypocrites y'all look like when all we hear about when we bring up Obama's corrupt administration is how "phony" the scandals are....



Someone needs to get you a mirror quickly Mr. Malloy.....
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Omg... you are suggesting this was just a routine traffic jam and nothing more? You're so partisan you can't even see straight. I see no point in conversing with you whatsoever if you're that far gone.
 
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iguanaman said:
Plus he made this comment about Ft. Lee and it's supposed "3 dedicated lanes".


Read more at Christie: Fort Lee's dedicated lanes should be reviewed | Politicker NJ
or sign up for a free trial of State Street Wire at Get Started | Politicker NJ
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Look at this Politifact story (from December)
The Truth-O-Meter Says:
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[h=2]"The fact that one town has three lanes dedicated to it, that kind of gets me sauced."[/h] Chris Christie on Monday, December 2nd, 2013 in response to subpoenas being sent out over a bridge lane-closure controversy.


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http://www.politifact.com/new-jerse...christie-claims-3-lanes-george-washington-br/

<small snip> "Since neither Christie’s spokespeople, Port Authority spokespeople or even the Fort Lee Police Department would respond to requests for comment on the matter, the Truth-O-Meter went on the road last week to check out the local access lanes."

Radio Silence. <cough>



CC was getting hammered back then...40 days ago -- for some of the things said about it...and , of course, he din't know nuthin' about bout birthin them baybees.
 
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Ockham said:
Ok, so show me where Christie knew personally what was going on. Christie is claiming he was blindsided by this revelation. You choose to believe he's lying... that shows your bias. I choose to wait until there's clear evidence he knew about it before calling for his head on a platter, and if that is shown to be the case, I'll be right with you about the lies, deceit, etc..etc..
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Whether Christie knew or didn't is really irrelevant. The idea the atmosphere/culture of hardball politics allowed in his office is obivious. His top aides obviously felt very comfortable that they could play the bully and do such a thing without repercussion. And what they did didn't hurt the mayor but caused grief to the people. This thing of claiming "I didn't know" seems to be catching on these days. We have a president who uses the excuse frequently. I know the GOP has high hopes for Christie and have already invested a good amount in him. The talking heads especially on Fox have been working overtime with damage control calling Christie an exemplary example of leadership on how he has handled this situation. Sorry, I don't see it.
 
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