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Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

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Interesting reason the first officer started asking questions of the man
Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

An Indiana man is in the Tri-County Regional Jail on a $1 million bond following his arrest with four guns and nearly 50 bombs.

Andrew Scott Boguslawski, 43, of Morris Hill, Ind., is being held, charged with one count of illegal manufacture or processing explosives, a felony of the second degree. He is set for a preliminary hearing Friday, Jan 10.
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The prosecutor said the trooper was prompted to ask about weapons because of several bumper stickers on Boguslawski’s car —specifically a sticker warning “If you can read this, you’re in range.”

Boguslawski told the trooper there were no guns in the vehicle. Davis went to write the man a ticket and when he returned to the car, he noticed the handle of a gun between the man’s knees.
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Boguslawski works in Indiana at a training facility for Navy Seals

an update on the story
Indiana guardsman stopped for speeding in Madison County had 48 bombs, prosecutor says | The Columbus Dispatch
Lt. Col. Cathy Van Bree, a spokeswoman for the Indiana National Guard, said Boguslawski is a specialist in the guard who does intelligence analysis and has top-secret clearance.
 
So....good job, cops?
 
So....good job, cops?

maybe though a good defense attorney is going to claim that the bumper stickers don't give rise to probable cause

one state-I cannot recall which-justified dog sniffs on cars pulled over with Grateful Dead stickers. I believe a lawsuit put an end to that.


This will be an interesting First and Fourth Amendment issue in a motion to suppress if one is filed
 
He had a gun between his knees!!! I don't think this is a freedom of speech issue here.
 
maybe though a good defense attorney is going to claim that the bumper stickers don't give rise to probable cause

one state-I cannot recall which-justified dog sniffs on cars pulled over with Grateful Dead stickers. I believe a lawsuit put an end to that.


This will be an interesting First and Fourth Amendment issue in a motion to suppress if one is filed
I didnt get that he was pulled over due to the weapons suspicion...but that he asked about weapons due to the bumper sticker. The probable cause thing comes from seeing the butt of the weapon between his legs, right? (NOT a lawyer BTW...)
 
4 guns is not a cache of weapons, its not even an arsenal, its a salacious headline that matters not. The explosives are the only issue here, for without proper permits explosives are only available to those in the industries that use them.
 
I didnt get that he was pulled over due to the weapons suspicion...but that he asked about weapons due to the bumper sticker. The probable cause thing comes from seeing the butt of the weapon between his legs, right? (NOT a lawyer BTW...)

He was pulled over for speeding-that was PC to stop the car. To ask about the weapons due to the bumper sticker?

I think the cop is going to be sustained on this one but I was noting what the defense should be
 
If you are moronic enought to hide a gun between your knees during a routine police check, you deserve to be in prison for stupidity.
 
If you are moronic enought to hide a gun between your knees during a routine police check, you deserve to be in prison for stupidity.

Indiana permits to carry are very easy to get-so easy they are not recognized in Ohio (though ours are in Indy!)
 
He was pulled over for speeding-that was PC to stop the car. To ask about the weapons due to the bumper sticker?

I think the cop is going to be sustained on this one but I was noting what the defense should be

The cop asked a question, "Do you have any guns in the car?" Boguslawski answered in the negative and it was only when the officer actually saw a firearm in the vehicle that the man was arrested.
 
Indiana permits to carry are very easy to get-so easy they are not recognized in Ohio (though ours are in Indy!)

Well, but you have to admit that a cop who finds that the person he is controling has a gun hidden between his knees, has every right to be suspicious.

In that situation I would rather risk the public outcry by gun advocats, that getting killed on the job.

The option of there not being anything wrong in the first place when confronted with such a situation, is something a cop cant afford to think on his job.
 
Interesting case really. It would be interesting to know exactly what type of work he did at that training facility and if he had permits for those items in his car or not as it doesn't mention it. I suppose we could assume that he doesn't based on him supposedly telling the trooper that he didn't have any guns in the car when there was but I would like it verified myself. But if he was an actual trainer at the facility there might be a reasonable explanation for carrying what he did...and have a license for the items. Of course I have no idea what all they train Navy Seals in so....;) There is definitely more to this story than what is in the article. Think I'll with hold judgement until more facts come out.
 
The cop asked a question, "Do you have any guns in the car?"

That is a permissable question and does not constitute a seizure without cause.
 
4 guns is not a cache of weapons, its not even an arsenal, its a salacious headline that matters not. The explosives are the only issue here, for without proper permits explosives are only available to those in the industries that use them.

Leaving me to wonder what his job was at the Navy SEAL training facility.
 
Interesting case really. It would be interesting to know exactly what type of work he did at that training facility and if he had permits for those items in his car or not as it doesn't mention it. I suppose we could assume that he doesn't based on him supposedly telling the trooper that he didn't have any guns in the car when there was but I would like it verified myself. But if he was an actual trainer at the facility there might be a reasonable explanation for carrying what he did...and have a license for the items. Of course I have no idea what all they train Navy Seals in so....;) There is definitely more to this story than what is in the article. Think I'll with hold judgement until more facts come out.

Article says the suspect is a groundskeeper at the training facility. The military rarely issues civilian license or permits to their troops. I had a military driver license for several years but it wouldn't let me drive a civilian vehicle. The military I was in would NEVER let explosives of any sort off federal property in a civilian vehicle. No way, no how.

As far as denying a permitted firearm, many states require the CCL holder to volunteer the information at a routine traffic stop and certainly if asked by a LEO.

The bumper sticker is a non issue, the sticker didn't prompt the search, simply a question. Upon return with the citation the LEO noticed a pistol handle between the driver's legs....THAT prompted further action.
 
Interesting case really. It would be interesting to know exactly what type of work he did at that training facility and if he had permits for those items in his car or not as it doesn't mention it. I suppose we could assume that he doesn't based on him supposedly telling the trooper that he didn't have any guns in the car when there was but I would like it verified myself. But if he was an actual trainer at the facility there might be a reasonable explanation for carrying what he did...and have a license for the items. Of course I have no idea what all they train Navy Seals in so....;) There is definitely more to this story than what is in the article. Think I'll with hold judgement until more facts come out.

He was a groundskeeper (or something like that)
 
He was pulled over for speeding-that was PC to stop the car. To ask about the weapons due to the bumper sticker?

I think the cop is going to be sustained on this one but I was noting what the defense should be

To ask about weapons just because of a bumper sticker IS bull****, if that's what happened. But even if it did, that's a separate issue from the fact that when the cop returned with his ticket to tell him, have a nice day, there was a gun between his legs. Now there's a whole different thing going on. Unless that's not true.
 
If you are moronic enought to hide a gun between your knees during a routine police check, you deserve to be in prison for stupidity.

That to me is what screams the loudest about this story.
 
Interesting case really. It would be interesting to know exactly what type of work he did at that training facility and if he had permits for those items in his car or not as it doesn't mention it. I suppose we could assume that he doesn't based on him supposedly telling the trooper that he didn't have any guns in the car when there was but I would like it verified myself. But if he was an actual trainer at the facility there might be a reasonable explanation for carrying what he did...and have a license for the items. Of course I have no idea what all they train Navy Seals in so....;) There is definitely more to this story than what is in the article. Think I'll with hold judgement until more facts come out.

His top secret clearance will not negate improperly transporting weapons in OH.

He sounds like a class one idiot to me.
 
He was pulled over for speeding-that was PC to stop the car. To ask about the weapons due to the bumper sticker?

I think the cop is going to be sustained on this one but I was noting what the defense should be
Then bonus points for eyesight and intuition!

Do you remember the case several years back where cops in I believe it was Detroit investigated a situation where a car pulled up at 3 AM to some location and guys got out hauling duffel bags. Cop though it was suspicious behavior and it was right and they recovered something like 6 duffel bags full of marijuana. Got thrown out because they didnt think he had probable cause. Sometimes...cops just know.
 
Most men have a gun in that general area. That it reached his knees....

And I don't think it's wrong for me and many others to be a gun advocate either! Just sayin...:mrgreen:

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:
 
Interesting case really. It would be interesting to know exactly what type of work he did at that training facility and if he had permits for those items in his car or not as it doesn't mention it. I suppose we could assume that he doesn't based on him supposedly telling the trooper that he didn't have any guns in the car when there was but I would like it verified myself. But if he was an actual trainer at the facility there might be a reasonable explanation for carrying what he did...and have a license for the items. Of course I have no idea what all they train Navy Seals in so....;) There is definitely more to this story than what is in the article. Think I'll with hold judgement until more facts come out.

I agree - the fact the man was involved in "intelligence training" and had "top-secret clearance" leads me to believe that this case may end rather quickly without too much further public information being disclosed. His behaviour with the officer is problematic, but one can readily imagine that training Navy Seals might very well involve identifying and disarming explosives, etc.
 
maybe though a good defense attorney is going to claim that the bumper stickers don't give rise to probable cause

one state-I cannot recall which-justified dog sniffs on cars pulled over with Grateful Dead stickers. I believe a lawsuit put an end to that.


This will be an interesting First and Fourth Amendment issue in a motion to suppress if one is filed

I'm not a lawyer like you, so maybe you can tell me if seeing a gun between the man's knees is probable cause.
 
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