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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not moronic. It's his civil right.
    Are you seriously suggesting that you would insist on "your right" to fiddle and play arround with a loaded firearm while a cop is talking to you to find out if you are a threat???????????????????

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Question- are you a vet? I am a combat vet. Can't say that I am (and thank you for the record, nothing but love for the vets), but most of the dudes I train/shoot with regularly are.

    Have you ever been an Instructor at a tacti-cool school? Nope, what school? I'm a Vickers guy, been to 4. A few other randoms around here, NH is the spot typically for the northeast. I was. I have RO'd and competed in several 3 guns I compete weekly spring summer fall. Weather around here blows between dec and march., I have YET to see anything but a 'rambo' vest on the range Yeah those are useless. I don't wear anything like that when competing, pointless really as most rigs are belt, I wear all safariland stuff.. (rambo vest is a junk carrier, no protection) Yeah I've seen a few of those clowns, 50lbs worth of useless gear in a comp, usually their excuse is 'it's my go-to rig for shtf. Ask them if they have plates....typically it's no, and usually their plate carrier is some chinese junk fraying at the shoulders but clean as a whistle as it's never seen a single day of legitimate training. I only have one for the sole reason of having plates, my gear is on my belt, my carrier is slick front and back. Fast and light as possible. Now when the High Risk Entry teams train at the facility I used to work for THEY wore full battle rattle, but never have seen a civilian bring his own ballistic vest and brain bucket to ANY match or carbine training Vickers courses I saw some people in full gear, moving at the speed of Percocet, usually winded and out of shape.... some minimal gear. I wore what I would wear typically for comp, one day I threw on the carrier for ****s and giggles, but nothing hangs off of it as I mentioned. Quite a few people wearing war belts....I'm not crazy about them. More **** to snag on and slow you down. If I can't sprint in it, I don't wear it.

    Have you ever timed yourself from a sound sleep to vest on, weapon up and off safe? What was that time?
    I've practiced throwing it on fast, haven't done it from a sound sleep. It's certainly an ideal situation that I could get it on, better off having it right there you know? If not, carbine is ready to go regardless, toss the carrier on after. You bring up a good point though, a carrier with level III steel plates won't be quick from a sound sleep. I do like your idea below about a shield use. Low from behind a doorway, just having it up against the frame makes a bit of sense.

    I have been to Philly and Boston... the pic you tried to pawn off as 'typical cops' was the hunt for the Marathon Bomber- NOT just another day in Bean Town!
    Go downtown to Boston or NYC. Plenty of 'hsld' tacticool propper pants and carbines floating around. I don't agree with any of it.

    I'll bet you a shiny nickle that if the cops did a no knock on your house you wouldn't have your vest on by the time they were standing in the bedroom doorway. They have a method to their madness, they know where to head first in an OH-Dark-30 breach. You'd do MUCH better to try and use the vest as a handheld shield and engage with a pistol while still in bed because you are not going to have time to wake, identify the threat, stand, put your vest on and then mount the carbine by the time the Cops are on you.
    It's just me and the lady. If I hear a bang, I don't need to identify the threat as long as she's next to me, assuming the worst and reaching for the LWRC. There's plenty of green between the doorway and me, two dogs (which are dead obviously, dogs get executed in home invasions or no-knock home invasions, although they better hope they take the American bulldog down quick, he doesn't take kindly to strangers...pops basketballs like eggs)...I'd give myself a fair chance in the narrow hallway and home field advantage. Outside of that, you're correct, tactics and numbers count for quite a bit. There was a no-knock not long ago in NH, large scale steroid distributor was invaded by squad. 6 PD taken out before the dude killed himself. I suspect if it was a regular home invasion, without swat tactics, he would have lived to see another day. I always assume if someone breaks down my door, they mean me harm. I also assume it isn't PD, I'm a law abiding student. Than again...stranger things have happened. Who the hell knows, flip a coin, hope for the best.


    But keep dreaming... tacti-cool schools need to make money too....
    Vickers is the real deal. There are a ton of schools out there, equivalent to rex-kwon-do in Napoleon dynamite. I haven't attended a single one of them, nor would I. I use what works, go where it's good, and train in that manner.

    For the record, I don't own a ballistic helmet lol. Just the carrier. If I'm in need of dome frag protection, I'm ****ed anyways and probably should have gotten the **** out of there....then again, I'm not taking mortar fire. I'm just doing 3-gun and own a plate carrier. I train with my buddies, few guys that were mil, we **** around in team movements, shoot copious amounts of ammo, call each other dumb names, get drinks afterwards. We are pretty good though. In the rare case that this place broke down hardcore, I'm comfortable with my abilities, know my limits, know my gear inside and out, and I have a mean dark pair of shades.




    All this being said....a pro-2A progressive? Maybe not pro-2A, but a gun owning progressive? That's like....a caucasian member of the BPP. Just doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that you would insist on "your right" to fiddle and play arround with a loaded firearm while a cop is talking to you to find out if you are a threat???????????????????
    That's not what he said.

    Read his post again - the wording is simple to understand.
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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that you would insist on "your right" to fiddle and play arround with a loaded firearm while a cop is talking to you to find out if you are a threat???????????????????
    Fiddle and play around with it? Probably not. Have it on my person, loaded? You're damn right it's my right.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Fiddle and play around with it? Probably not. Have it on my person, loaded? You're damn right it's my right.
    Would you tell the cop you didn't have a weapon if the cop asked you the question?
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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Fiddle and play around with it? Probably not. Have it on my person, loaded? You're damn right it's my right.
    Even hiding it between your knees? Hiding a firearm between your knees is bound to cause the officers suspicion.

    Other than that, I know that police officers often ask people on routine checks if they are armed, so the person in question probably lied to the officer in the first place.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Even hiding it between your knees? Hiding a firearm between your knees is bound to cause the officers suspicion.

    Other than that, I know that police officers often ask people on routine checks if they are armed, so the person in question probably lied to the officer in the first place.
    I don't care if he' hiding the gun in his butt crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Would you tell the cop you didn't have a weapon if the cop asked you the question?
    I don't think he should ask. He can't ask if you're an illegal alien.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man arrested with cache of guns, explosives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think he should ask. He can't ask if you're an illegal alien.
    And you really believe this?
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